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Title: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
Post by: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 01:34:44 PM
So i get my beta working, with the lazytown crack and such...
i launch up an AI map,
it says be prepared for great damage or something.
So it all runs well.
But when i play for about one min or so, right before i start my first pylon, my whole comp freezes and i cant doing anything unless i pull the plug.


Anyone else get this??
Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
Post by: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Looks like your computer is having trouble running the game, try lowing some of the graphics settings.
Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
Post by: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 01:55:04 PM
I tried it this time with all the graphics lowered, and it worked fine, but after like 5 mins my comp freezes then i gotta pull the plug.
And when i turn my comp back on it starts, then shuts down after two seconds, it does this multiple times until i wait at least 20 secs to start my comp, then it works fine. Do i have a driver problem??
Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
Post by: itsarabbit on March 01, 2010, 01:56:35 PM
seems like it's overheating, get a better cooling system or better comp overall.
Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 01:57:02 PM
Quote from: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 01:55:04 PM
I tried it this time with all the graphics lowered, and it worked fine, but after like 5 mins my comp freezes then i gotta pull the plug.
And when i turn my comp back on it starts, then shuts down after two seconds, it does this multiple times until i wait at least 20 secs to start my comp, then it works fine. Do i have a driver problem??


That's not a driver problem, especially if it freezes like that if you immediately reboot. Sounds like your computer is overheating. Grab some dust-off (compressed air), and make sure all your fans are clean and free of debris. I don't know your specs, but if that doesn't work, your comp just might be too old and can't handle SC2. Do you meet the minimum requirements that Blizzard posted on their site for the beta?
Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
Post by: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 02:01:19 PM
It runs fine on the non ai one, heres my specs, highlight with your curser :P i grabbed it off the bnet thing.
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    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:05:22 PM
    Hmm... that's suprising. You don't have bad specs at all. That comp should handle max settings for SC2 no problem (because that's similar to what I have, and I run SC2 on Ultra with no drop in framerate). But you are definitely overheating for some reason. Try what I said (make sure you dust out your ENTIRE computer), and see if that helps at all. Sometimes the easiest fix is the most effective. :)
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
    Its a laptop, would that change anything??
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:16:21 PM
    Quote from: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
    Its a laptop, would that change anything??


    Damn this site... Typed in a huge post and it freakin crapped on me when trying to post it.


    To make it short, try updating your drivers, but that still doesn't sound like the problem. If your comp is shutting down again after an immediate restart, that has no relation to SC2. That's a hardware problem, not software. Check your BIOS immediately after a shutdown (if it does it again), and check your temps (most BIOS allow you to do that now). Then check what temp your BIOS has it set to auto-shutdown on.


    Edit: Also, since it's a laptop, just make sure you have proper ventilation. Don't rest in on soft surfaces (ie, your bed, a pillow, etc.). Make sure there is air-flow.
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 02:37:08 PM
    Sounds like the guys talking about overheating are more than likely correct. Download Cpu-z, gpu-z and Piriform Speccy to monitor your cpu and gpu temp.

    Maybe I'm a little out of the loop though on the specs because I think I have a decent comp but I need to put almost all settings on low to get 30-40 fps.

    My specs are:

    AMD Athlon 2.6ghz x4 propus (Over clocked to 2.8ghz)
    2Gb x2 800mzh DDR2 (Over clocked to 4-4-4-10)
    BFG GeForce 210 512 DDR2 (Over clocked to 594 mhz core and 405 mzh mem)
    ____
    Any reason why my fps is so low?
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
    Quote from: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 02:37:08 PM
    Sounds like the guys talking about overheating are more than likely correct. Download Cpu-z, gpu-z and Piriform Speccy to monitor your cpu and gpu temp.

    Maybe I'm a little out of the loop though on the specs because I think I have a decent comp but I need to put almost all settings on low to get 30-40 fps.

    My specs are:

    AMD Athlon 2.6ghz x4 propus (Over clocked to 2.8ghz)
    2Gb x2 800mzh DDR2 (Over clocked to 4-4-4-10)
    BFG GeForce 210 512 DDR2 (Over clocked to 594 mhz core and 405 mzh mem)
    ____
    Any reason why my fps is so low?


    Hmm... not really sure. Your processor is a quad-core, correct? That's really odd your comp is pushing that hard.


    I only have a Intel Dual-Core 2.6GHz, 3GB ram, and a ATI Radeon HD 5750. I guess my graphics card is my saving grace where I can run everything on max... Maybe it's your card. Other than that I really have no idea why your system is running so hard.


    And I don't overclock at all...
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Happy-I-am on March 01, 2010, 02:48:43 PM
    it's the graphics card, I am pretty sure 210 is a low end budget card. you can buy them for around $80 here. http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=505085 (http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=505085)
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
    Quote from: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
    Quote from: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 02:37:08 PM
    Sounds like the guys talking about overheating are more than likely correct. Download Cpu-z, gpu-z and Piriform Speccy to monitor your cpu and gpu temp.

    Maybe I'm a little out of the loop though on the specs because I think I have a decent comp but I need to put almost all settings on low to get 30-40 fps.

    My specs are:

    AMD Athlon 2.6ghz x4 propus (Over clocked to 2.8ghz)
    2Gb x2 800mzh DDR2 (Over clocked to 4-4-4-10)
    BFG GeForce 210 512 DDR2 (Over clocked to 594 mhz core and 405 mzh mem)
    ____
    Any reason why my fps is so low?


    Hmm... not really sure. Your processor is a quad-core, correct? That's really odd your comp is pushing that hard.


    I only have a Intel Dual-Core 2.6GHz, 3GB ram, and a ATI Radeon HD 5750. I guess my graphics card is my saving grace where I can run everything on max... Maybe it's your card. Other than that I really have no idea why your system is running so hard.


    And I don't overclock at all...

    Yeah you are right, its a cheepy $60 one that isn't any good. I actually downgraged from the power of a ATI x1600 pro just so I could have directx10.1  ::) . I guess I need to invest in a better card cuz 5750 is saving your a$$ big time!
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
    Quote from: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
    Yeah you are right, its a cheepy $60 one that isn't any good. I actually downgraged from the power of a ATI x1600 pro just so I could have directx10.1  ::) . I guess I need to invest in a better card cuz 5750 is saving your a$$ big time!


    Ya it is. :) I remember my last card (before I upgraded to this one) was an ATI Radeon HD 2600.


    I remember I couldn't even run most games I had with AA or shadows on, otherwise my framerate would drop to where it wasn't even playable. The second I upgraded to this card (none of my other specs changed), I can now run every game on max (most recent game being Dragon Age) without any drop in framerate.


    I think I got my card for not that much, like $175 at Fry's Electronics. Since the newer powerhouses are out now (like the 5800), my card dropped drastically in price.
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Happy-I-am on March 01, 2010, 02:55:13 PM
    you can get a 5750 for $199-$250 here whereas you can get the  5770 for $260-$294

    these are NZD prices and from price spy
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:57:23 PM
    Quote from: Happy-I-am on March 01, 2010, 02:55:13 PM
    you can get a 5750 for $199-$250 here whereas you can get the  5770 for $260-$294

    these are NZD prices and from price spy



    Ouch. If you have a Fry's Electronics, go there. ;) They were alot cheaper. :)
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Happy-I-am on March 01, 2010, 03:02:54 PM
    Quote from: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:57:23 PM
    Quote from: Happy-I-am on March 01, 2010, 02:55:13 PM
    you can get a 5750 for $199-$250 here whereas you can get the  5770 for $260-$294

    these are NZD prices and from price spy



    Ouch. If you have a Fry's Electronics, go there. ;) They were alot cheaper. :)


    I don't think we have them in New Zealand. Plus when you do the exchange rate the prices would be pretty much the same.
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 03:04:12 PM
    Quote from: Happy-I-am on March 01, 2010, 03:02:54 PM
    Quote from: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:57:23 PM
    Quote from: Happy-I-am on March 01, 2010, 02:55:13 PM
    you can get a 5750 for $199-$250 here whereas you can get the  5770 for $260-$294

    these are NZD prices and from price spy



    Ouch. If you have a Fry's Electronics, go there. ;) They were alot cheaper. :)


    I don't think we have them in New Zealand. Plus when you do the exchange rate the prices would be pretty much the same.


    Ah, very true. :)
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 03:16:32 PM
    Quote from: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:16:21 PM
    Quote from: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
    Its a laptop, would that change anything??


    Damn this site... Typed in a huge post and it freakin crapped on me when trying to post it.


    To make it short, try updating your drivers, but that still doesn't sound like the problem. If your comp is shutting down again after an immediate restart, that has no relation to SC2. That's a hardware problem, not software. Check your BIOS immediately after a shutdown (if it does it again), and check your temps (most BIOS allow you to do that now). Then check what temp your BIOS has it set to auto-shutdown on.


    Edit: Also, since it's a laptop, just make sure you have proper ventilation. Don't rest in on soft surfaces (ie, your bed, a pillow, etc.). Make sure there is air-flow.
    Well i went into my BIOS and looked around, and as i was doing that it does the same thing again and shuts down. I cant find a place that shows you the overheat temp or anything.
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 03:22:02 PM
    Quote from: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 03:16:32 PM
    Well i went into my BIOS and looked around, and as i was doing that it does the same thing again and shuts down. I cant find a place that shows you the overheat temp or anything.


    Ok if it's crashing in BIOS even then it's definitely a hardware problem totally unrelated to SC2. Unfortunately I'm not really sure what to tell you. Let your computer sit and cool for about 15 minutes, then try downloading the programs cyric posted, and keep a close eye on them. Run SC2 in a windowed mode so you can watch your temperatures. If you are overheating, then close your comp down, let it rest for 15 min. Turn on another game and see if it does the same thing (preferably a game that pushes your comp). If it does, then you might have some internal fans/cooling systems failing.


    The only thing I could say after that is get it professional repaired. Sorry I can't help you further with that, as I don't work on laptops, only desktops, so I wouldn't know how to fix it and what you could fix from home on a laptop.
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 04:34:48 PM
    Quote from: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 03:16:32 PM
    Quote from: Gamewiz on March 01, 2010, 02:16:21 PM
    Quote from: Heymusky on March 01, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
    Its a laptop, would that change anything??


    Damn this site... Typed in a huge post and it freakin crapped on me when trying to post it.


    To make it short, try updating your drivers, but that still doesn't sound like the problem. If your comp is shutting down again after an immediate restart, that has no relation to SC2. That's a hardware problem, not software. Check your BIOS immediately after a shutdown (if it does it again), and check your temps (most BIOS allow you to do that now). Then check what temp your BIOS has it set to auto-shutdown on.


    Edit: Also, since it's a laptop, just make sure you have proper ventilation. Don't rest in on soft surfaces (ie, your bed, a pillow, etc.). Make sure there is air-flow.
    Well i went into my BIOS and looked around, and as i was doing that it does the same thing again and shuts down. I cant find a place that shows you the overheat temp or anything.

    Sometimes when you overheat the comp it will save a record of this in the CMOS and disable startup, you might need to take out the battery from the mobo, wait 15 secs, put it back in and setup the date/time, this might help you start up into your OS again.
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: Gr!mm on March 01, 2010, 08:47:56 PM
    To be honest, i had a similar problem too, my game every minute or so would start going really jittery, checked my graphics card temperature and it was at 87°C, this is a pretty intensive game. I bought a new fan and that sorted the problem, extra cooling, plus my computer tower door was off which is never good.
    Title: Re: Helpp Sc 2 vs AI
    Post by: gg.sc2 on March 03, 2010, 02:41:44 AM
    AI causes the problem but non AI doesn't. So you're saying you can run SC2 with no AI perfectly fine? How could a change like that impact a system with those specs? Smells like software issues to me, unless you got a defective hardware part that reacts specifically to more processing usage. I'm sure having AI causes the system to use a little more processing power CPU and GPU wise.

    And now you're saying there are also issues outside of SC2?

    I say ditch the laptop and get a desktop.  ;) J/k. That doesn't help at all.

    If you just started encountering the problems since post-install of SC2BETA, I'd say you did something to damage the hardware (is sc2 that taxing on your system to cause hardware failure?), or software files got modified somehow. Just to diagnose, I'd suggest a backup and restore process of some sort to see if the problems still persist.