DarkBlizz

EDIT: What i mean by Semi Cheating is, normal resources with map vision

There is allot of AI out there, i don't really want this threat to talk about the strong points of the AI, instead i would like if one could rate your favorite AI with a simple out of ten rating for each race

If you believe another AI is not in the list above, the be my guest and rate it for example: Humanik

out of 10 rating would be nice if its in the following order:

Ghost AI:
Terran 7/10

Aiur AI:
Protoss 8/10

DoZerk AI:
Zerk 7/10


I know all these AI work with the version and tomorrow the lesser AI will be the greater but i want the voting to be with the latest/current version you are playing or have played. just to make it more clear which are the best AI to practise against and Worth playing


Manta

For me, i would have to say the following are the 2 best Launchers from what i have seen and heared

Valkirie and Verman7's.

Valkirie 0.28
i installed, no problem, getting the maps location was easy aswell as the AI. which led me to make AI folders that said Easy, Hard,  Cheating, what ever i want so i know what ai i am playing, since there are Ghost AI with the Aiur update, that is different from Strategy AI yet same difficulty, So this part i enjoyed of the Launcher.

replays are easy to watch but it is unfortunate that you cannot see what the map or player are that plays it.

i love the one screen UI where everything is selectable. and its clear and easy to read.
Ladder was a nice idea although i never use it.

What i do not like is the fact that it does not have a game speed setting.
Also the Launcher takes 4-5 seconds before i can start selecting after i started it.

Verman7's 6.7.2
I installed, ran the Launcher everything worked besides getting a "unable to open map" when i  Launch the game which has to be a fault on my PC so excluding that ( downloaded the original maps ).
Verman7 did allot of afford to make this Launcher easy to use yet glamorous at the same time, picking AI and having the duficulty was neat. altho hard to spot weather its cheating or not, and not so friendly when it comes to changing between AI's like Ghost, Strategy and so on. which is probably why i'm not able to run

You can select your Game speed you want to start with. Big +!
And watching replays is grand.

So for me, if and when i figure out what this Error is i'm getting. i would be bloody hard to chose between the 2 if:

Valkirie implements game speed
and Verman7 could have a way of working the AI, so that one could pick between AI's 'since they have different ways of fighting'. i'm not sure how hard ghost AI on 'hard' is compared to 'normal' if they cheating or not.

all in all. My 2c.

Great work guys
Manta

Quote from: Suzi Q. on March 26, 2010, 02:15:30 PM

Quote from: Man7a on March 26, 2010, 04:36:16 AM

thx jason_born, cool nick as well

and Suzi Q,  maybe try Starcrack AI till you get better and then play Strat and ghost AI?

I'm not sure how to make them easier.. so soz :<

Manta

SC 7.0 doesn't expand for me which makes it way too easy. Sadly. :s I'm hoping for future versions to get better.

At least Strategy AI no have a none map hacking ai, its for me allot easier so try it out, think you might have a good fun bot battle.

there is so much AI that seems to be coming out. im just testing all to see which is better. if you still want i can let you know about a easier AI than Strategy or ghost but better than Starcrack?

jason_born, Thx for updating the AI's. was waiting for the new Aiur! <3

Manta

Chriamon, atm i doubt there is, Maybe practice against the strengths of the AI, instead of timing attacks to   its weaknesses. ( i love that line )

Maybe tomorrow they will bring a imbar AI that that can't be beaten

my 2cents
Manta

Quote from: jason_born on March 25, 2010, 11:24:38 PM
Aiur is still strongly recommended! I can beat Ghost AI's protoss but got completely owned by it after applying Aiur's patch. The amazing part is that the new protoss doesn't even have full map vision. It is so much smarter and stronger than Ghost's default one!

thx jason_born, cool nick as well

and Suzi Q,  maybe try Starcrack AI till you get better and then play Strat and ghost AI?

I'm not sure how to make them easier.. so soz :<

Manta

What is the speed the people play on at B.Net? is it not normal?

Manta

Going to try the Ghost AI 1, but im just not sure if i still need to update the Aiur AI 1.17 in the new Ghost AI 1, or is their Protos now better then Aiur? if any one can tell i would be much obliged.

Manta

Organized_Chaos + 1

Glad you posted under a new threat, i think a phew people don't know about it, they see the name but don't know how it compares to the other AI.

I second that this is one awesome AI. i atm i recommend it above all the others, not that my vote counts but at least it makes 2 of us so far.

Manta

Thx for the hard work, i will try it out when i get the chance, and give my feedback.

Manta

Thx a Million jason_born, who is the author? are you on some irc channel where you get the info from?

Is there not a way maybe to use certain races of one another, for example, use the Terrran of Ghost AI and use Zerk of of strategy AI.

If one would open the Base.SC2Data with a MPQ editor en swap some of the files needed for each race? or does it not work like that? then at least you can get a semi outcome while having the best of all the AI to play against.

Just a thought
Manta

Does these Ghost AI 0.91 and Strategy AI 0.2 have a site or place where one can check their progress and maybe give some feedback?

Would be appreciated

Edit: lol i just watched Ghost AI with the Aiur Protos "update" take on one another TvP, can almost not believe its bots playing, Protos won. yay for me.

Double Edit: and protos lost best of 3 :"<

Manta

Great improvement on the old, still needs some work but you are on the right track! well done.

Manta

Right.. i have come to rate each none resource cheating AI i played as follows..

Easy - StarCrack_7.0_Easy

Normal - StarCrack_7.0_Standard

Hard - Strategy_AI_0.2Ghost AI 0.8-Only Against Terran

For me fighting against cheating AI no longer allows you to test strats that would work against human players because of the faster production of units. some rush strats yes but overall, does not play off well and aint so much fun.

Manta

 O:) Hi there, i was thinking, is there a possible way to have two ai versus one another while spectating it, but not AI of the same 'makers' but for example, Starcrack standard AI vs Strategy AI.

Just a thought. would make for some nice matches.

Manta