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as many reviews out there put it, its pretty much the same old starcraft ... but with new units added, old ones taken out, cool graphics and sounds/music. of course, strategies have drastically changed since there are units and buildings with new functions.
its fun thus far... too bad im not soo young anymore (21, but still... got responsibilities... and billzz to pay.. along with more education..)

Well its beta, we don't know what BE will show on 1st public version... it could be with air attack zelots or some other unit like dragon... so its still early... :D

Im bored but because its only vs AI and the AI's are not a challenge.


I am pretty confident then when we can start playing people and getting a rating system going on a private server it will be very entertaining

Its awsome.

Thumbs up blizzard.  8)

I feel in many ways that the graphics are not as great as they could be though at least for starcraft 1 their was a huge change in graphics from the beta version.

This game is disaster... I would kill the guy that decided to release it and design. 


All they did here is new CGI + replace/few new units. Similar update to brood war and they ask us to w8 for soo damn long!
They should atleast do some Tactical units configuration so u can assume defense/ofense etc etc positions. Much more advance ''shift'' options. More units and some main critical units like protos Bata etc etc... I'm gona get bored of this game after 3 days of online game :/ 


Boooo blizzaarr!!! >.<

Quote from: Dariusz on March 01, 2010, 08:58:11 PM
they ask us to w8 for soo damn long!
They should atleast do some Tactical units configuration so u can assume defense/ofense etc etc positions. Much more advance ''shift'' options.

They always make uss wait for years... they are blizzard :(

And what you are suggesting would ruin the whole concept of the game -.-

Let startcraft be starcraft.

and you should wait untill battle net 2.0 is open to the public before being so critical.

ok first...

why change the hotkey!!!! that's totally uncalled for!!!

second...

Where the hell did all the units go!!!!! I mean I understand some adapted and some changed but come on... we dont have that many units who did not changed...

Third... come on what the helll!!!! where did kerrigans voice acter go... lets fix it.

Quote from: WildFire on March 01, 2010, 09:10:45 PM
Third... come on what the helll!!!! where did kerrigans voice acter go... lets fix it.

WE REQUIRE MOAR MIINEERAAAALALALALLSSSSSS! So damn annoying.

I have to agree with some people that the units are really lacking. I would have loved to see WAY more units and buildings. Also, am I the only one that thinks 5 mins and 4 gas per run is ridiculously low?!? Maybe onces someone gets the Big Game Hunters map up and running this will change.

On the other hand though, the units that ARE in the game are amazingly thought out, each one has a definite purpose now and is good for a particular offensive or defensive strategy. I also love the new engine, I know, I know, shiny graphics aren't a deal maker but cmon! It's freaking Starcraft and its beautiful! The engine also accounts for unit movement and placement, you dont have to move stray/idle units out of the way now, they move for you, they also group together and move through each other so that its easier to mass! Not to mention how useful the new hotkey system is, I'm not sure what you mean WildFire when you say it was uncalled for! Are you kidding? 100 units bound to 1 , all the special units in that pack bound to 2? YES PLZ!

I've also been thinking, this is supposed to be a trilogy, so doesn't that mean 2 expansions? Or from what I remember hearing, Blizzard said it would be 3 separate games... I swear, if they start adding units and buildings into the next games I'm gonna slap a blizzard.

Quote from: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 10:54:50 PM

Quote from: WildFire on March 01, 2010, 09:10:45 PM
Third... come on what the helll!!!! where did kerrigans voice acter go... lets fix it.

WE REQUIRE MOAR MIINEERAAAALALALALLSSSSSS! So damn annoying.

I have to agree with some people that the units are really lacking. I would have loved to see WAY more units and buildings. Also, am I the only one that thinks 5 mins and 4 gas per run is ridiculously low?!? Maybe onces someone gets the Big Game Hunters map up and running this will change.

On the other hand though, the units that ARE in the game are amazingly thought out, each one has a definite purpose now and is good for a particular offensive or defensive strategy. I also love the new engine, I know, I know, shiny graphics aren't a deal maker but cmon! It's freaking Starcraft and its beautiful! The engine also accounts for unit movement and placement, you dont have to move stray/idle units out of the way now, they move for you, they also group together and move through each other so that its easier to mass! Not to mention how useful the new hotkey system is, I'm not sure what you mean WildFire when you say it was uncalled for! Are you kidding? 100 units bound to 1 , all the special units in that pack bound to 2? YES PLZ!

I've also been thinking, this is supposed to be a trilogy, so doesn't that mean 2 expansions? Or from what I remember hearing, Blizzard said it would be 3 separate games... I swear, if they start adding units and buildings into the next games I'm gonna slap a blizzard.

Can you hot key units like In suppreme commander? :O 1 = tanks 2 = marines etc etc??



And secondly Hades, humh I'm not sure if we understood each other... I want to be able to customize units so for example medic always follow selected group of soldiers, tanks follow behind etc etc... So its not so damn ''manual'' :/  Also Marines got shield so it would be nice if they could use it in defensive way don't you think ? Like in old Rome war etc etc those funny turtle formation... bla bla bla... well my point is it could be way better than its now :(

Quote from: Dariusz on March 01, 2010, 11:21:37 PM

Quote from: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 10:54:50 PM

Quote from: WildFire on March 01, 2010, 09:10:45 PM
Third... come on what the helll!!!! where did kerrigans voice acter go... lets fix it.

WE REQUIRE MOAR MIINEERAAAALALALALLSSSSSS! So damn annoying.

I have to agree with some people that the units are really lacking. I would have loved to see WAY more units and buildings. Also, am I the only one that thinks 5 mins and 4 gas per run is ridiculously low?!? Maybe onces someone gets the Big Game Hunters map up and running this will change.

On the other hand though, the units that ARE in the game are amazingly thought out, each one has a definite purpose now and is good for a particular offensive or defensive strategy. I also love the new engine, I know, I know, shiny graphics aren't a deal maker but cmon! It's freaking Starcraft and its beautiful! The engine also accounts for unit movement and placement, you dont have to move stray/idle units out of the way now, they move for you, they also group together and move through each other so that its easier to mass! Not to mention how useful the new hotkey system is, I'm not sure what you mean WildFire when you say it was uncalled for! Are you kidding? 100 units bound to 1 , all the special units in that pack bound to 2? YES PLZ!

I've also been thinking, this is supposed to be a trilogy, so doesn't that mean 2 expansions? Or from what I remember hearing, Blizzard said it would be 3 separate games... I swear, if they start adding units and buildings into the next games I'm gonna slap a blizzard.

Can you hot key units like In suppreme commander? :O 1 = tanks 2 = marines etc etc??



And secondly Hades, humh I'm not sure if we understood each other... I want to be able to customize units so for example medic always follow selected group of soldiers, tanks follow behind etc etc... So its not so damn ''manual'' :/  Also Marines got shield so it would be nice if they could use it in defensive way don't you think ? Like in old Rome war etc etc those funny turtle formation... bla bla bla... well my point is it could be way better than its now :(

I've never played supreme commander so I don't know exactly how it works but you can just shift click on the unit you want to select all of, then hotkey it, maybe this is more of a "manual" way of doing it as you say but it works. You can still hotkey with cntrl + number so you dont have to use the icons at the top of your unit view. Also I remember I used to make units follow specif other units by selecting the following unit and double/triple click on the leader, this used to work for me in SC but I havens tried it out in SC2.

Gotta say, at first I was skeptical about it. I kept hearing it was a let-down. I played it... it was 50x better than StarCraft. Considering StarCraft's melee bored me to tears, and now it actually feels... fun! I'm loving it so much.

Quote from: Dariusz on March 01, 2010, 08:58:11 PM
This game is disaster... I would kill the guy that decided to release it and design.


All they did here is new CGI + replace/few new units. Similar update to brood war and they ask us to w8 for soo damn long!
They should atleast do some Tactical units configuration so u can assume defense/ofense etc etc positions. Much more advance ''shift'' options. More units and some main critical units like protos Bata etc etc... I'm gona get bored of this game after 3 days of online game :/


Boooo blizzaarr!!! >.<

Thats not really what starcraft is about... i look at it more as a boardgame. One of the best actually haha. If you want that play something else? Coh and stuff

man i think i cant get disappointed with sc2. even though im not lucky to get beta key for it but soon im sure battlenet 2.0 server emulator will be release and surely i will play 24/7 there until sc2 is release. 

I'd say the gameplay looks great, but from the first moment I saw the graphics I hated them. I really really dislike those cartoonish graphics, they don't fit into the dark SF atmosphere SC1 used to create at all.

Quote from: thedarkdream on March 02, 2010, 06:10:58 AM
I'd say the gameplay looks great, but from the first moment I saw the graphics I hated them. I really really dislike those cartoonish graphics, they don't fit into the dark SF atmosphere SC1 used to create at all.

What quality are they playing at? If it's low quality, that'll happen. But StarCraft 2 looks amazing in Ultra quality.

Quote from: cyricc on March 01, 2010, 10:54:50 PM

Quote from: WildFire on March 01, 2010, 09:10:45 PM
Third... come on what the helll!!!! where did kerrigans voice acter go... lets fix it.

WE REQUIRE MOAR MIINEERAAAALALALALLSSSSSS! So damn annoying.

I have to agree with some people that the units are really lacking. I would have loved to see WAY more units and buildings. Also, am I the only one that thinks 5 mins and 4 gas per run is ridiculously low?!? Maybe onces someone gets the Big Game Hunters map up and running this will change.

On the other hand though, the units that ARE in the game are amazingly thought out, each one has a definite purpose now and is good for a particular offensive or defensive strategy. I also love the new engine, I know, I know, shiny graphics aren't a deal maker but cmon! It's freaking Starcraft and its beautiful! The engine also accounts for unit movement and placement, you dont have to move stray/idle units out of the way now, they move for you, they also group together and move through each other so that its easier to mass! Not to mention how useful the new hotkey system is, I'm not sure what you mean WildFire when you say it was uncalled for! Are you kidding? 100 units bound to 1 , all the special units in that pack bound to 2? YES PLZ!

I've also been thinking, this is supposed to be a trilogy, so doesn't that mean 2 expansions? Or from what I remember hearing, Blizzard said it would be 3 separate games... I swear, if they start adding units and buildings into the next games I'm gonna slap a blizzard.

I mean the building hotkeys... e for probe?!?!? when i think of probe i hit p not e same for pylon. a for marine?!?! i mean come on...

It's much better now, because "e" is a lot closer to all the other hotkeys than "p". And you'll have to get used to it, because on official ladders and tournaments, custom hotkeys are not allowed.

Quote from: thedarkdream on March 02, 2010, 06:10:58 AM
I'd say the gameplay looks great, but from the first moment I saw the graphics I hated them. I really really dislike those cartoonish graphics, they don't fit into the dark SF atmosphere SC1 used to create at all.

Agreed. And visual effects of Zerg units and structures really set me off. They look kinda cute to me actually (say new ultralisk, spine crawler...). That does not fit in their weird, aggressive role.

Quote from: WildFire on March 02, 2010, 11:03:57 AM
I mean the building hotkeys... e for probe?!?!? when i think of probe i hit p not e same for pylon. a for marine?!?! i mean come on...

The reason they did that is because now all the hotkeys are on the left side of the keyboard, making them easier in reach. Blizzard said they did this on purpose. They don't necessarily make sense, but once you learn them they'll be far easier to use than the way it was in SC1.

Disappointment will vary by age group and depend on how much they played previous blizzard RTS games.  If you enjoyed the previous 3 then after the initial orgasm is over, due to the simple fact that a new blizz game is out, you WILL be disappointed, unless your long-term conscious and unconscious memory is shot. 

No other blizzard sequel has been this shallow and lacking in innovation not to mention what they're taking OUT of this one: same 3 races, no innovations (think of differences b/w war2 and war3), split into 3 parts!, no LAN, a basic patching in of blizz quality sound and graphics but nothing really impressive.  As a sequel it's 90 percent "new bnet" (wooptie do!) and continued story. 

So if you aren't familiar with the old blizzard games then have fun.  This is a great repackaging of those wonderful games.  The rest of us have been left out in the cold since wow but I don't think blizzard cares.  The real blizzard is gone and they've turned into a bunch of milkmaids, milking the new generation of gamers who are ignorant of what they missed in years past. 

It could be the first blizz game I don't buy.  Bnet will be a bunch of zerg rushing, exploiting, ridalin-riddled kids with too much spare time, who only care about stats (think the tragedy that is arenas).  If there's a campaign / LAN crack I'll probably at least download.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 12:25:24 PM
Disappointment will vary by age group and depend on how much they played previous blizzard RTS games.  If you enjoyed the previous 3 then after the initial orgasm is over, due to the simple fact that a new blizz game is out, you WILL be disappointed, unless your long-term conscious and unconscious memory is shot. 

I'm sorry, but don't speak for the community of Blizzard fans as a whole, because you are wrong. And I find it insulting that you think I'm not allowed to enjoy this game, even though I have played every game of Blizzards since the first WarCraft.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 12:25:24 PMNo other blizzard sequel has been this shallow and lacking in innovation not to mention what they're taking OUT of this one: same 3 races, no innovations (think of differences b/w war2 and war3), split into 3 parts!, no LAN, a basic patching in of blizz quality sound and graphics but nothing really impressive.  As a sequel it's 90 percent "new bnet" (wooptie do!) and continued story.

You are basing your assumption of "lacking in innovation" because of the beta? That's jumping the gun just a little. Their singleplayer campaign, from what they have said, will be very innovating from previous blizzard games. It will be very dynamic depending on how the player goes through the campaign. I for one can't wait to continue to the story and shape it's destiny.


The split into 3 parts bit I really have no comment. Some people think Blizzard is just being greedy, while Blizzard says it's because they want to be able to put alot of effort into each campaign. It's not a game-breaker for me, so I'm still buying all three.


There is no LAN for a very obvious reason. If you have to be online at all times, connected to battle.net, even in order to play singleplayer, then there is NO reason to have LAN. Just log into multiplayer, setup a private match w/ password, and have your friends join in. Aside from a few minority (as one person on here explained to me), who have lan parties without a internet hookup, the rest of the people wanting LAN just want it because they are planning on pirating the game. That's it. And I'm all for the constant connection to bnet. It cuts down on piracy, which is killing the PC gaming community.


Sound and graphics is all based on opinion. I think it looks and sounds great. It's different enough to stand out on it's own, yet has those familiar sounds (yet updated) and music that help it relate to SC1, which I find refreshing.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 12:25:24 PMSo if you aren't familiar with the old blizzard games then have fun.  This is a great repackaging of those wonderful games.  The rest of us have been left out in the cold since wow but I don't think blizzard cares.  The real blizzard is gone and they've turned into a bunch of milkmaids, milking the new generation of gamers who are ignorant of what they missed in years past. 

It could be the first blizz game I don't buy.  Bnet will be a bunch of zerg rushing, exploiting, ridalin-riddled kids who only care about stats (think the tragedy that is arenas).  If there's a campaign / LAN crack I'll probably at least download.

Thank you for proving my point. Piraters like you I despise. It's people like you who are going to be the downfall of the PC gaming community because of your own selfish desires.

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 02, 2010, 12:39:21 PM

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 12:25:24 PM
Disappointment will vary by age group and depend on how much they played previous blizzard RTS games.  If you enjoyed the previous 3 then after the initial orgasm is over, due to the simple fact that a new blizz game is out, you WILL be disappointed, unless your long-term conscious and unconscious memory is shot. 

I'm sorry, but don't speak for the community of Blizzard fans as a whole, because you are wrong. And I find it insulting that you think I'm not allowed to enjoy this game, even though I have played every game of Blizzards since the first WarCraft.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 12:25:24 PMNo other blizzard sequel has been this shallow and lacking in innovation not to mention what they're taking OUT of this one: same 3 races, no innovations (think of differences b/w war2 and war3), split into 3 parts!, no LAN, a basic patching in of blizz quality sound and graphics but nothing really impressive.  As a sequel it's 90 percent "new bnet" (wooptie do!) and continued story.

You are basing your assumption of "lacking in innovation" because of the beta? That's jumping the gun just a little. Their singleplayer campaign, from what they have said, will be very innovating from previous blizzard games. It will be very dynamic depending on how the player goes through the campaign. I for one can't wait to continue to the story and shape it's destiny.


The split into 3 parts bit I really have no comment. Some people think Blizzard is just being greedy, while Blizzard says it's because they want to be able to put alot of effort into each campaign. It's not a game-breaker for me, so I'm still buying all three.


There is no LAN for a very obvious reason. If you have to be online at all times, connected to battle.net, even in order to play singleplayer, then there is NO reason to have LAN. Just log into multiplayer, setup a private match w/ password, and have your friends join in. Aside from a few minority (as one person on here explained to me), who have lan parties without a internet hookup, the rest of the people wanting LAN just want it because they are planning on pirating the game. That's it. And I'm all for the constant connection to bnet. It cuts down on piracy, which is killing the PC gaming community.


Sound and graphics is all based on opinion. I think it looks and sounds great. It's different enough to stand out on it's own, yet has those familiar sounds (yet updated) and music that help it relate to SC1, which I find refreshing.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 12:25:24 PMSo if you aren't familiar with the old blizzard games then have fun.  This is a great repackaging of those wonderful games.  The rest of us have been left out in the cold since wow but I don't think blizzard cares.  The real blizzard is gone and they've turned into a bunch of milkmaids, milking the new generation of gamers who are ignorant of what they missed in years past. 

It could be the first blizz game I don't buy.  Bnet will be a bunch of zerg rushing, exploiting, ridalin-riddled kids who only care about stats (think the tragedy that is arenas).  If there's a campaign / LAN crack I'll probably at least download.

Thank you for proving my point. Piraters like you I despise. It's people like you who are going to be the downfall of the PC gaming community because of your own selfish desires.

This post gets about a million thumbs up from me

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 12:25:24 PM

No other blizzard sequel has been this shallow and lacking in innovation not to mention what they're taking OUT of this one: same 3 races, no innovations (think of differences b/w war2 and war3), split into 3 parts!, no LAN, a basic patching in of blizz quality sound and graphics but nothing really impressive.  As a sequel it's 90 percent "new bnet" (wooptie do!) and continued story. 

Good point I'd say. Me too got kinda bored after having tried all 3 races. Nevertheless I will wait and see the plot as they said earlier some of their overpowered innovations and the Xel'Naga will only show up in campaigns, though this does not change the fact that signs of creative thoughts are scarce in SC2, by now.

Thought they would come with a brand-new, refreshing creation after a hell long 10 years of wait. Or maybe I'm just getting old and should not be expecting too much.

Im sorry but any1 who is dissapointed by this game could not of been a fan of sc1. I don't care what you say if you loved sc1 you have to love sc2 its just amazing. Ive never heard of people complain about why they didn't make more changes to the greatest RTS ever made. You make it sound like sc1 was some game you played once when you where little and this 1 looks to much like it. Do you not realize sc1 is still being played today (obviously your not one of the people who play), and going from sc1 to sc2 its like night and day. Also for all the bitching i hear about the campaign and how "OMG 3 games to buy how could they hustle us?!?". I played the terran single player at blizzcon. This is not I REPEAT NOT JUST DOING MISSIONS like in sc1. Its a full on redic game in itself and if you dont enjoy the first one DON'T BUY THE SECOND 2.

Bottom line SC2 is amazing in every single aspect thus far. DON'T LISTEN TO THE TROLLS THEY JUST HATE LIFE...

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 02, 2010, 12:39:21 PM

I'm sorry, but don't speak for the community of Blizzard fans as a whole, because you are wrong. And I find it insulting that you think I'm not allowed to enjoy this game, even though I have played every game of Blizzards since the first WarCraft.

You are basing your assumption of "lacking in innovation" because of the beta? That's jumping the gun just a little. Their singleplayer campaign, from what they have said, will be very innovating from previous blizzard games. It will be very dynamic depending on how the player goes through the campaign. I for one can't wait to continue to the story and shape it's destiny.

The split into 3 parts bit I really have no comment. Some people think Blizzard is just being greedy, while Blizzard says it's because they want to be able to put alot of effort into each campaign. It's not a game-breaker for me, so I'm still buying all three.

There is no LAN for a very obvious reason. If you have to be online at all times, connected to battle.net, even in order to play singleplayer, then there is NO reason to have LAN. Just log into multiplayer, setup a private match w/ password, and have your friends join in. Aside from a few minority (as one person on here explained to me), who have lan parties without a internet hookup, the rest of the people wanting LAN just want it because they are planning on pirating the game. That's it. And I'm all for the constant connection to bnet. It cuts down on piracy, which is killing the PC gaming community.

Sound and graphics is all based on opinion. I think it looks and sounds great. It's different enough to stand out on it's own, yet has those familiar sounds (yet updated) and music that help it relate to SC1, which I find refreshing.

Thank you for proving my point. Piraters like you I despise. It's people like you who are going to be the downfall of the PC gaming community because of your own selfish desires.

Oh settle down.  My opinion is just my opinion but yeah, I don't see how any veteran fan can fail to see the shallowness of this game--I never said you shouldn't enjoy it did I?  People always read into shit even when the english is clear as day.  You even mention the single-player game as being innovative which I'd already said. lol.  If anything my comments are just out of place because people are still googly-eyed over it but reality will strike eventually. 

Just move on if you can't handle it and by all means, enjoy away... "Enjoying" for me used to mean years of enjoyment.  This might last me the length of the single-player campaign.   

I forgot to mention that it's been 10 years.  Waiting 10 years for a sequel like this?  It can only be explained away by the dominance of wow which has lasted way too long. Blizzard has gone down a notch.  OK?  And spare me your righteous indignation which is pretty lame considering you hang out here as much as anyone looking to leech the latest crack.

Quote from: Dizmaul on March 02, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
Im sorry but any1 who is dissapointed by this game could not of been a fan of sc1. I don't care what you say if you loved sc1 you have to love sc2 its just amazing. Ive never heard of people complain about why they didn't make more changes to the greatest RTS ever made. You make it sound like sc1 was some game you played once when you where little and this 1 looks to much like it. Do you not realize sc1 is still being played today (obviously your not one of the people who play), and going from sc1 to sc2 its like night and day. Also for all the bitching i hear about the campaign and how "OMG 3 games to buy how could they hustle us?!?". I played the terran single player at blizzcon. This is not I REPEAT NOT JUST DOING MISSIONS like in sc1. Its a full on redic game in itself and if you dont enjoy the first one DON'T BUY THE SECOND 2.

Bottom line SC2 is amazing in every single aspect thus far. DON'T LISTEN TO THE TROLLS THEY JUST HATE LIFE...

Ok. Being wrong about me not being a sc1 fan is more tolerable considering how wrong you are about the new game.  You do realize you're describing the e-sport koreans... nothing against them it's just many of us don't fall into that catagory.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions that this game is mainly about satisfying e-sport types.  So you're either one of them or think that a great sequel is just about the graphics.  If I'm wrong pray tell me, what makes the difference like night and day?

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
Oh settle down.  My opinion is just my opinion but yeah, I don't see how any veteran fan can fail to see the shallowness of this game--I never said you shouldn't enjoy it did I?  People always read into shit even when the english is clear as day.  You even mention the single-player game as being innovative which I'd already said. lol.  If anything my comments are just out of place because people are still googly-eyed over it but reality will strike eventually.  J

Just move on if you can't handle it and by all means, enjoy away... "Enjoying" for me used to mean years of enjoyment.  This might last me the length of the single-player campaign.   

I forgot to mention that it's been 10 years.  Waiting 10 years for a sequel like this?  It can only be explained away by the dominance of wow which has lasted way too long. Blizzard has gone down a notch.  OK?  And spare me your righteous indignation which is pretty lame considering you hang out here as much as anyone looking to leech the latest crack.

Clearly I don't think it's shallow if I enjoy the game, that was my point. So my interpretation of your statement was true, even if it wasn't direct. You assumed that all veteran players of blizzard games couldn't possibly like this game, and I proved you wrong.


Just move on? I could say the same thing to you. I'm not moving on because I enjoy the game, and I enjoy what we have here available to us in this community. If YOU don't enjoy SC2, then YOU move on.


And me looking for the next crack in AI is VASTLY different than you S-T-E-A-L-I-N-G the game from Blizzard. I'm not making them lose money. I'm not hacking their multiplayer servers to get an unfair advantage. I'm not cheating. I just want to try their game out because I'm excited for it. The day the game comes out I'm purchasing it and removing all cracks from the game. So yes, I am better than you in that regard, and I'm proud of it.

The custom maps on the new editor will be what makes this game.

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 02, 2010, 01:59:11 PM

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
Oh settle down.  My opinion is just my opinion but yeah, I don't see how any veteran fan can fail to see the shallowness of this game--I never said you shouldn't enjoy it did I?  People always read into shit even when the english is clear as day.  You even mention the single-player game as being innovative which I'd already said. lol.  If anything my comments are just out of place because people are still googly-eyed over it but reality will strike eventually.  J

Just move on if you can't handle it and by all means, enjoy away... "Enjoying" for me used to mean years of enjoyment.  This might last me the length of the single-player campaign.   

I forgot to mention that it's been 10 years.  Waiting 10 years for a sequel like this?  It can only be explained away by the dominance of wow which has lasted way too long. Blizzard has gone down a notch.  OK?  And spare me your righteous indignation which is pretty lame considering you hang out here as much as anyone looking to leech the latest crack.

Clearly I don't think it's shallow if I enjoy the game, that was my point. So my interpretation of your statement was true, even if it wasn't direct. You assumed that all veteran players of blizzard games couldn't possibly like this game, and I proved you wrong.


Just move on? I could say the same thing to you. I'm not moving on because I enjoy the game, and I enjoy what we have here available to us in this community. If YOU don't enjoy SC2, then YOU move on.


And me looking for the next crack in AI is VASTLY different than you S-T-E-A-L-I-N-G the game from Blizzard. I'm not making them lose money. I'm not hacking their multiplayer servers to get an unfair advantage. I'm not cheating. I just want to try their game out because I'm excited for it. The day the game comes out I'm purchasing it and removing all cracks from the game. So yes, I am better than you in that regard, and I'm proud of it.

No. I'm right in that a lot of blizzard fans think it's shallow.  Just look on any board on the internet including this one.  Remember, I added the disclaimer "unless your long-term conscious and unconscious memory is shot".  I guess that includes you.  Oh wait, you're right, I failed to mention people who are much easier to please than the rest of us--the word "shallow" again comes to mind.   Or maybe you're just offended, like you said, and will talk trash now any way you can. 

Still I was only talking about the shelf-life of the game.  I think anyone could enjoy it for a short time.  People will get bored a lot faster though because as a sequel it's lacking.  I keep repeating myself to you man.  Go back and read my "initial orgasm" comment. wtf?  When the game releases, I'm sure I won't bother you here anymore.

EDIT: Also, I meant move on to where people aren't bashing your poor game... as in this thread ... prickly little guy.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 02:24:59 PM
No. I'm right in that a lot of blizzard fans think it's shallow.  Just look on any board on the internet including this one.  Remember, I added the disclaimer "unless your long-term conscious and unconscious memory is shot".  I guess that includes you.  Oh wait, you're right, I failed to mention people who are much easier to please than the rest of us--the word "shallow" again comes to mind.   Or maybe you're just offended, like you said, and will talk trash now any way you can. 

Still I was only talking about the shelf-life of the game.  I think anyone could enjoy it for a short time.  People will get bored a lot faster though because as a sequel it's lacking.  I keep repeating myself to you man.  Go back and read my "initial orgasm" comment. wtf?  When the game releases, I'm sure I won't bother you here anymore.

EDIT: Also, I meant move on to where people aren't bashing your poor game... as in this thread ... prickly little guy.

And you are wrong because there are A LOT of people who DON'T think it's shallow. And by your delusional version of logic, somehow a person has a mental disability because they don't agree with you?


Honestly, your stupidity and ignorance here astounds me. You are giving your OPINION, NOT FACT! And I've never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, quite the opposite actually. What I have a problem with is that if someone disagrees with you, you think they aren't entitled to that. You think your word must be law.


And again, you say that you "know" that the shelf life of this game will not be long based solely upon your opinion which you think is fact. You do NOT "know" anything. You can't prove that I will agree with you after this game is out. You don't know me or my personal preferences when it comes to gaming. Stop thinking you can speak for other people.


You are the only one on a high horse here, pal.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 01:53:54 PM

Quote from: Dizmaul on March 02, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
Im sorry but any1 who is dissapointed by this game could not of been a fan of sc1. I don't care what you say if you loved sc1 you have to love sc2 its just amazing. Ive never heard of people complain about why they didn't make more changes to the greatest RTS ever made. You make it sound like sc1 was some game you played once when you where little and this 1 looks to much like it. Do you not realize sc1 is still being played today (obviously your not one of the people who play), and going from sc1 to sc2 its like night and day. Also for all the bitching i hear about the campaign and how "OMG 3 games to buy how could they hustle us?!?". I played the terran single player at blizzcon. This is not I REPEAT NOT JUST DOING MISSIONS like in sc1. Its a full on redic game in itself and if you dont enjoy the first one DON'T BUY THE SECOND 2.

Bottom line SC2 is amazing in every single aspect thus far. DON'T LISTEN TO THE TROLLS THEY JUST HATE LIFE...

Ok. Being wrong about me not being a sc1 fan is more tolerable considering how wrong you are about the new game.  You do realize you're describing the e-sport koreans... nothing against them it's just many of us don't fall into that catagory.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions that this game is mainly about satisfying e-sport types.  So you're either one of them or think that a great sequel is just about the graphics.  If I'm wrong pray tell me, what makes the difference like night and day?

Suspicions that this game is mainly about satisfying e-sport types?! of course it is and why would it be any other way. Who cares if you like the game, you will stop playing anyways 6 months after release when something "new" comes out, or maybe even sooner when you keep loosing to scrubs on ladder. Im happy they satisfy the people who are dedicated hardcore fans of the e-sport. Which is what has kept the starcraft community alive after you decided in 2001 you where done with the game. If you don't like a serious game like starcraft go play something else.

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 02, 2010, 02:34:47 PM

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 02:24:59 PM
No. I'm right in that a lot of blizzard fans think it's shallow.  Just look on any board on the internet including this one.  Remember, I added the disclaimer "unless your long-term conscious and unconscious memory is shot".  I guess that includes you.  Oh wait, you're right, I failed to mention people who are much easier to please than the rest of us--the word "shallow" again comes to mind.   Or maybe you're just offended, like you said, and will talk trash now any way you can. 

Still I was only talking about the shelf-life of the game.  I think anyone could enjoy it for a short time.  People will get bored a lot faster though because as a sequel it's lacking.  I keep repeating myself to you man.  Go back and read my "initial orgasm" comment. wtf?  When the game releases, I'm sure I won't bother you here anymore.

EDIT: Also, I meant move on to where people aren't bashing your poor game... as in this thread ... prickly little guy.

And you are wrong because there are A LOT of people who DON'T think it's shallow. And by your delusional version of logic, somehow a person has a mental disability because they don't agree with you?


Honestly, your stupidity and ignorance here astounds me. You are giving your OPINION, NOT FACT! And I've never said you weren't entitled to your opinion, quite the opposite actually. What I have a problem with is that if someone disagrees with you, you think they aren't entitled to that. You think your word must be law.


And again, you say that you "know" that the shelf life of this game will not be long based solely upon your opinion which you think is fact. You do NOT "know" anything. You can't prove that I will agree with you after this game is out. You don't know me or my personal preferences when it comes to gaming. Stop thinking you can speak for other people.


You are the only one on a high horse here, pal.

LOL.  You did it again.  I said posts ago that it was all my personal opinion. You fail every time.  It's like what else do I have to do to qualify my statements and not be misunderstood by some random dimwit.

Yeah, my opinion but based on obvious common sense given what we should know about gamers and blizzard history.

Forget it.  You act way too young to have been a serious gamer when sc1 was around anyway.  Have fun with the rest of your non-sensical little nerd rage fuckups.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 03:22:16 PM
LOL.  You did it again.  I said posts ago that it was all my personal opinion. You fail every time.  It's like what else do I have to do to qualify my statements and not be misunderstood by some random dimwit.

Yeah, my opinion but based on obvious common sense given what we should know about gamers and blizzard history.

Forget it.  You act way too young to have been a serious gamer when sc1 was around anyway.  Have fun with the rest of your non-sensical little nerd rage fuckups.

Hahaha! You crack me up. Trust me, I will enjoy this game immensely, as I already am. And trust me, I'm not delusional or lack common sense, and yes, I'm a serious gamer. But good job assuming all of that in order to try and make your point seem valid!


I'm gonna go back to enjoying SC2. Have fun whining on various forums about how Blizzard betrayed you and SC2 didn't hold up to your delusions of grandeur.

Quote from: Dizmaul on March 02, 2010, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 01:53:54 PM

Quote from: Dizmaul on March 02, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
Im sorry but any1 who is dissapointed by this game could not of been a fan of sc1. I don't care what you say if you loved sc1 you have to love sc2 its just amazing. Ive never heard of people complain about why they didn't make more changes to the greatest RTS ever made. You make it sound like sc1 was some game you played once when you where little and this 1 looks to much like it. Do you not realize sc1 is still being played today (obviously your not one of the people who play), and going from sc1 to sc2 its like night and day. Also for all the bitching i hear about the campaign and how "OMG 3 games to buy how could they hustle us?!?". I played the terran single player at blizzcon. This is not I REPEAT NOT JUST DOING MISSIONS like in sc1. Its a full on redic game in itself and if you dont enjoy the first one DON'T BUY THE SECOND 2.

Bottom line SC2 is amazing in every single aspect thus far. DON'T LISTEN TO THE TROLLS THEY JUST HATE LIFE...

Ok. Being wrong about me not being a sc1 fan is more tolerable considering how wrong you are about the new game.  You do realize you're describing the e-sport koreans... nothing against them it's just many of us don't fall into that catagory.  Thanks for confirming my suspicions that this game is mainly about satisfying e-sport types.  So you're either one of them or think that a great sequel is just about the graphics.  If I'm wrong pray tell me, what makes the difference like night and day?

Suspicions that this game is mainly about satisfying e-sport types?! of course it is and why would it be any other way. Who cares if you like the game, you will stop playing anyways 6 months after release when something "new" comes out, or maybe even sooner when you keep loosing to scrubs on ladder. Im happy they satisfy the people who are dedicated hardcore fans of the e-sport. Which is what has kept the starcraft community alive after you decided in 2001 you where done with the game. If you don't like a serious game like starcraft go play something else.

I already stated what I plan to do.  I hear a fucking echo in here and you know what you're the same types on every damn board.  The ones who give blizzard millions no matter how shitty they become and you say the same stupid cliche'd and predictable shit every time someone threatens to pop your bubble--a bunch of sorry little gum chewing emo fuckup, blizzard nazis who think blizzard is god's hand to kiss everytime they shit something out... So have a big shitty hand job call SC2 nutcases!  OH but all this only since WoW of course because your sorry little personalities were molded by that game. You're probably more murloc now than human.

I stated what I did and even if I was the only one, which obviously I'm not, I'd still say it.  It's my opinion, I feel strongly about it and I'm sorry you 2 can't handle it on an anonymous message board without getting all snot-nosed about it and crying yourselves to sleep.

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 03:40:00 PM

I already stated what I plan to do.  I hear a fucking echo in here and you know what you're the same types on every damn board.  The ones who give blizzard millions no matter how shitty they become and you say the same stupid cliche'd and predictable shit every time someone threatens to pop your bubble--a bunch of sorry little gum chewing emo fuckup, blizzard nazis who think blizzard is god's hand to kiss everytime they shit something out... So have a big shitty hand job call SC2 nutcases!  OH but all this only since WoW of course because your sorry little personalities were molded by that game. You're probably more murloc now than human.

I stated what I did and even if I was the only one, which obviously I'm not, I'd still say it.  It's my opinion, I feel strongly about it and I'm sorry you 2 can't handle it on an anonymous message board without getting all snot-nosed about it and crying yourselves to sleep.

Wow... pot calling the kettle black. Read your post again, very carefully, and tell me who is getting snot-nosed again. Now you are throwing a fit like a little child.


And by the way, I enjoyed vanilla WoW, but haven't played it in years, so again, nice job assuming something that isn't true! You're on a roll with that!

It's still going to be a blast... but there are some complaints along the way.

- Graphics too cartoony
- Engine not as good as it could be. Really not much different the WCIII
- Most new units don't bug me but the Hellion vs the Vulture? Come on the Hellion is so generic in comparison. Not to mention Spider Mines will be super missed.
- The music not nearly as good. The guy who made the original SC sound track doesn't work at Blizzard anymore. He also made the Diablo ST's and they were all amazing.
- I don't like the huge stress on having two refineries
- I don't know if I like the obvious choices for counters. I almost think the game is too counter intensive.

Just my current gripes. Could change in time.

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 02, 2010, 03:50:34 PM

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 03:40:00 PM

I already stated what I plan to do.  I hear a fucking echo in here and you know what you're the same types on every damn board.  The ones who give blizzard millions no matter how shitty they become and you say the same stupid cliche'd and predictable shit every time someone threatens to pop your bubble--a bunch of sorry little gum chewing emo fuckup, blizzard nazis who think blizzard is god's hand to kiss everytime they shit something out... So have a big shitty hand job call SC2 nutcases!  OH but all this only since WoW of course because your sorry little personalities were molded by that game. You're probably more murloc now than human.

I stated what I did and even if I was the only one, which obviously I'm not, I'd still say it.  It's my opinion, I feel strongly about it and I'm sorry you 2 can't handle it on an anonymous message board without getting all snot-nosed about it and crying yourselves to sleep.

Wow... pot calling the kettle black. Read your post again, very carefully, and tell me who is getting snot-nosed again. Now you are throwing a fit like a little child.


And by the way, I enjoyed vanilla WoW, but haven't played it in years, so again, nice job assuming something that isn't true! You're on a roll with that!

Are you kidding? I'm having a blast.  You're too dumb to know when you're being fucked with while still trying argue sensibly after disqualifying yourself with the first post. 

I thought you were going somewhere?  SO you bullshit which means everything you say about yourself is probably BULLSHIT.  I could care less who you are.  You're the one who took my general post personally which, even though I didn't intend for it to be taken that way, I now find enjoyable considering how you act.

Hard isn't it... trying to get in the last word after embarrassing yourself.  Ok, here, have the last word... try to make it good this time. 

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Are you kidding? I'm having a blast.  You're too dumb to know when you're being fucked with while still trying argue sensibly after disqualifying yourself with the first post. 

I thought you were going somewhere?  SO you bullshit which means everything you say about yourself is probably BULLSHIT.  I could care less who you are.  You're the one who took my general post personally which, even though I didn't intend for it to be taken that way, I now find enjoyable considering how you act.

Hard isn't it... trying to get in the last word after embarrassing yourself.  Ok, here, have the last word... try to make it good this time.

I'm glad you are having a blast! I'd hate for this argument to be a bore for you.


I took your first post personally because you tried to speak on my behalf. I don't appreciate people doing that. You generalized the blizzard community as a whole, which I pointed out wasn't true, so you jumped on the defensive and start lashing out using unnecessary language like you are trying to prove you are the tougher one. Grow up.


Again, I haven't embarrassed myself in the slightest. Once again, you continue to assume things that are not true. Your track record here is becoming extremely predictable.


A little advice for you: Calm down, take a deep breath, and stop acting like a whiny child. Stop assuming and having preconceptions of people. Stop thinking your opinion is law. Once you learn to act like an adult, then one day you might find you can actually have an intelligent conversation with someone. Clearly you have failed to learn this important lesson in life.

The game was great!
then they changed the units and now it is bad.

what happend to pheonix overload? = now its the worst unit ingame, doing 10 dmg as anti air??

so many other units been changed modefied.


The units and thigns they put out on www.starcraft2.com (http://www.starcraft2.com) are good, great awesome.
The units in beta sux.

Quote from: Ceron on March 02, 2010, 06:04:15 PM
The game was great!
then they changed the units and now it is bad.

what happend to pheonix overload? = now its the worst unit ingame, doing 10 dmg as anti air??

so many other units been changed modefied.


The units and thigns they put out on www.starcraft2.com (http://www.starcraft2.com) are good, great awesome.
The units in beta sux.

While I agree that Protoss has gotten the ban hammer quite a bit recently, I still think the Phoenix is still a very useful unit. I've seen many videos where they are terrific against Zerg players. They are great for harassment of overlords (which can cripple a zerg player extremely fast), as well as completely taking out strong ground units out of the fight (ie, lifting off tanks, ultras, etc from the ground and destroying them while they can't do anything).


It's all about know what units to bring out and when. Each unit has a unique purpose.

Wow, some heated discussion here.  Everyone will have their own view on the game.  I personally was skeptical about SC2, I was a huge fan of SC1. When I first saw the gameplay footage a year ago I was like ughh I'm not going to play this it looks lame, like something out of starwars.  Now that I have had a chance to watch some replays and try it for myself I am loving it!

They couldn't change it too much otherwise it would not be starcraft.  It has to stay true to the original otherwise it will fail.  For instance when they decided not to have protoss carriers in SC2 after a lot fans voiced their dissapointment they added them back in.

I think they have done an outstanding job on it. I love the graphics and the abillity to zoom down and get a better perspective.  Don't forget about custom games that can be made in the editor with the abillity to go down to First Person View.  That's gonna be so cool. Check youtube they have a video of the FP being used in SC2.

I think SC2 is everthing that SC1 should have been.  The new units and new strategies that have come from them are really awesome to watch.  Check out some of the battlenet report replays with David Kim.  You will see some cool stuff! That guy is a freaking legend.

I also like the idea of them putting out each single player campaign as a seperate game. I am certainly going to be addicted to this game.  It may even stop me playing WOW,  may even get me divorced also... lol

My only only dissapointment with SC2 and I can't believe why they didn't allow this.  I really would have loved having the abillity to zoom out further than the default camera view. Surely it would have not been so hard to include?  I feel like the camera is a little too close.  Why not let people zoom back out as well as zooming in?

So to sum up.  SC2 rocks and I can't wait to play against you all on battlenet.

PS..  Where is my damn SC2 Beta key Blizzard!!  I'm so lost without it.

I'd have to agree with SupraDoom on most things; though not entirely.

-Graphics aren't as cartoony or bad as people say they are, though I run with everything on Ultra; it is a bit of a chance, but they're extremely smooth especially when zoomed in. Will be nice to see the graphics on a larger variety of maps, ones with more ambiance and liquids; the current maps are kind of plain, despite high-res textures
---Few units bother me, such as the Fly-wings on Zerglings; Hellion is pretty lame, especially its attack animation (Should be a constant flame, with the dmg dealt overtime)

-Units in general! Several units seem lacking, once again; the Hellion, needs some sort of extra ability aside from doing huge damage vs Light. Would be nice to see reapers have a grenade of sorts (DoW40k2 had good nades for the most part) to add to their use aside from harass. Haven't quite found a good use for Vikings; they seem to get raped on the ground, but are decent in air.
---- I also don't like that several units are restricted to ONLY attacking ground or air; namely ones that posses ranged attacks that seem as if they'd be able to hit both. The ones that PARTICULARLY bother me are; BANSHEE....Immortal/Colossus(One of them should hit air&ground imho, instead of having 2 ground speciality units from same building), Roach (Should swap places with Hydralisk in tiers, so hydra is tier 1.5; Roach is tier 2(as its upgrades are). If anything, these units SHOULD be able to hit both, but be adept at one.

-Double refineries and gas STILL seems slow
-And DEFINITELY agree with the units seem too 'counter oriented' in that almost every unit has a hard counter.

Sorry I got a bit wordy, just hate having to revisit a thread a million times to explain every statement as the fan boy tries to dissect your post.

Quote from: Dizmaul on March 02, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
Im sorry but any1 who is dissapointed by this game could not of been a fan of sc1. I don't care what you say if you loved sc1 you have to love sc2 its just amazing. Ive never heard of people complain about why they didn't make more changes to the greatest RTS ever made. You make it sound like sc1 was some game you played once when you where little and this 1 looks to much like it. Do you not realize sc1 is still being played today (obviously your not one of the people who play), and going from sc1 to sc2 its like night and day. Also for all the bitching i hear about the campaign and how "OMG 3 games to buy how could they hustle us?!?". I played the terran single player at blizzcon. This is not I REPEAT NOT JUST DOING MISSIONS like in sc1. Its a full on redic game in itself and if you dont enjoy the first one DON'T BUY THE SECOND 2.

Bottom line SC2 is amazing in every single aspect thus far. DON'T LISTEN TO THE TROLLS THEY JUST HATE LIFE...

Thank you, this is what I wanted to say!

Quote from: greymanic on March 02, 2010, 02:24:59 PM

No. I'm right in that a lot of blizzard fans think it's shallow.  Just look on any board on the internet including this one.  Remember, I added the disclaimer "unless your long-term conscious and unconscious memory is shot".  I guess that includes you.  Oh wait, you're right, I failed to mention people who are much easier to please than the rest of us--the word "shallow" again comes to mind.   Or maybe you're just offended, like you said, and will talk trash now any way you can. 

Still I was only talking about the shelf-life of the game.  I think anyone could enjoy it for a short time.  People will get bored a lot faster though because as a sequel it's lacking.  I keep repeating myself to you man.  Go back and read my "initial orgasm" comment. wtf?  When the game releases, I'm sure I won't bother you here anymore.

EDIT: Also, I meant move on to where people aren't bashing your poor game... as in this thread ... prickly little guy.

What is it lacking? Don't forget the 2 expansions they could add or change some more play types/styles. Custom maps will be really interesting too. More people need to look at starcraft as a board game.

If you're dissapointed by this game, SHAME ON YOU!!!  >:(
This game is AMAZING.
here's why I have a problem with most of you "hatin" on the game. It was NOT supposed to be a revolutionary game. It was NOT supposed to change everything as we know it. They kept the same races, resource system, and general flow because it's AMAZING. Why do you think people STILL play Starcraft one all the time? Because it's amazing. "why fix what's not broken?" Like the new command and conquer 4 coming out? I won't play it. They changed everything. It's not even command and conquer any more... BIG changes aren't good for a game that people love, because all the diehard (read: most starcraft players) fans will be UTTERLY DISAPPOINTED.


Therefore, the fact that they gave graphics, UI, engine, units, and B.NET an overhaul makes this a dream come true. The only thing they KEPT from the original starcraft was the really important stuff. The things that made it great. Did you want them to take out siege tanks? Did you want them to add a new resource or something? You people whine and complain at what I see as perfection.


If you don't go OMG I'M SO EXITED I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO as soon as you play your first cracked beta game, you really don't deserve to play the game at all. The only fault I have with Blizzard is how LONG they have drug out this. They told us about said game in 2007... it's now 2010... But I understand they're just trying to make Bnet2.0 perfect, which I'm fine with. I'll wait another year if it means it's going to be perfect.


Also, for those complaining about balance. I have one question: Sir, are you an idiot? The BETA is to FIX all the ISSUES. So I don't see why you're complaining about something that will most likely be fixed... Now granted, someone needs to complain otherwise it won't get fixed. But that is the job of LEGITIMATE players who got the Beta keys and they send their feedback to Blizzard. I don't want to hear another QQ about roaches or I think I'll puke...


Blizzard has spent millions on this game to make it as good as possible for us, and they have done a perfect job.


P.S. The graphics are AMAZING. I don't know WTF you're expecting from it, but I couldn't ask for more. Even on low graphics it's utterly beautiful. The gameplay is perfect, they made it so great  :)

The game is amazing, it has exceeded my expectations for the beta. It sure ain't perfect but Brood War needed 12 years to become what it its today, Starcraft 2 sure can't do that in 2 weeks ^^

its bad they lowered the mineral intake from 8 to 5.

but that they lowered the gas intake from 8 to 4...

they added an extra gas to the bases and expansions, but in the end it is till the same amount you got from sc1.  you are forced to make 3 extra workers so you once again can have the 8 gas income like in sc1...

anyone care to explain how this is good in any way?

why no just go back to have one gas station that gives 8 gas...

i truly dont see what is so good about forcing players to pay 225 minerals extra(4 workers + 25) to get the same amount of gas you did in sc1?

Prevents protoss to steal terran gas? ^_^

Or at least makes it harder.

guys this is still beta, lots of units and map hasn't come out yet, thou im somewhat quite dissapointed as well, some visual effects are just like 2D, there's no new added feature in the GUI, they just added details of the upgrades (and a cheap one too  :'(

e.g.
Marine
-General all Purpose Unit

can attack ground and air units
weak against - zealots blah blah)

they should've added that :(

at the same time there were imbalance all over the units tier.. but all in all, i support them since they gave off the best they've got for us :D i hope the full release would be a lot better than just the beta :D

Quote from: Ceron on March 03, 2010, 05:43:15 AM
its bad they lowered the mineral intake from 8 to 5.

but that they lowered the gas intake from 8 to 4...

they added an extra gas to the bases and expansions, but in the end it is till the same amount you got from sc1.  you are forced to make 3 extra workers so you once again can have the 8 gas income like in sc1...

anyone care to explain how this is good in any way?

why no just go back to have one gas station that gives 8 gas...

i truly dont see what is so good about forcing players to pay 225 minerals extra(4 workers + 25) to get the same amount of gas you did in sc1?

Does it really matter? This isn't SC1. They are not trying to balance it according to SC1 units, or SC1 costs. They are balancing for SC2 units, SC2 costs, etc. If you manage your economy well, you have plenty of min/gas in this game.

SC2 units costs same or more as SC1 did, you produce units faster or at the same rate as you did in sc1, but you gain 5mineral per probe/drone/scv. This really feels weird to me, not saying it's bad or good, but you have to change the whole attitude for economy management, which is pretty hard to do :}. Other than that, I don't really like surround AI (very glitchy and buggy) and not a fan of some collision AI. Everything apart that is pretty good :}.


P.s. muta stacking thing was taken out, so basically muta micro was taken out, I will miss it so much ;(.

This game is Perfect the way it is u guys need to stop bitching if u dont like it dont bitch at the game cause u got notthing better to do i dont wanna hear it about starcraft 2 cause all the people that really like this game knows this it going to be the all time Game of the year to play online pvp

i like how u get less gas and money now because u could tech really fast in starcraft broodwar and they changed it in starcraft 2 u cant tech as fast but u still can tech fast enough and it just makes the game more fun  i dont like a fast tech cause its fun when u have a battle with T1 units then get u tech up get some T2 units and upgs  then push again... seems like there trying to remove the hole idea of tech rushing cause it wont be so useful when u get less gas so u need more time which makes the game last

Quote from: ProoM on March 03, 2010, 10:46:27 AM
SC2 units costs same or more as SC1 did, you produce units faster or at the same rate as you did in sc1, but you gain 5mineral per probe/drone/scv. This really feels weird to me, not saying it's bad or good, but you have to change the whole attitude for economy management, which is pretty hard to do :}. Other than that, I don't really like surround AI (very glitchy and buggy) and not a fan of some collision AI. Everything apart that is pretty good :}.


P.s. muta stacking thing was taken out, so basically muta micro was taken out, I will miss it so much ;(.

Sounds like you are a Zerg player. :) By "surround AI", do you mean like when zerglings try to surround a unit to attack it? I haven't really come across a problem with it. In fact the path-finding in general I think is 100x better than the pathfinding in SC1. Especially when it comes to groups, moving as groups, etc. No more stuck units in the middle... Thank GOD!!! :D


As to the economy, I can see how it would be harder for people who are transitioning straight from SC1 to SC2. For me, it's been a couple years since I played SC1, so I took to the changes of SC2 very well.

@Mineral and Gas concerns;

I'm pretty sure they are trying to strip SC2 from being a late-game building mass; Zerg has been rid of their need for several hatcheries by adding queens, and income vs unit quality/production speed has balanced out for the other races some. If you play an actual game, and pinch your resources the whole time, you'll notice it all comes together just fine. Also, if you work for more unique builds, you'll find the dual gas isn't always needed; i.e going heavy zeals and only needing gas for charge and weapon ups. You also start with 6 workers, that is 2 for gas, 4 for minerals, which balanced out the "extras" you'd of needed to make.

@'Surround AI'
You clearly just don't know how to micro at all, because unit surrounds work just the same in this as in SC1, in fact; lings can even surround a thor,  and rip it to shreds.

@blood_hound
If you took half a second in analyzing armor properties and weapon attacks, it clearly states what units counter what in the GUI; and far better than in SC1. i.e; Marauders do +10 damage to Armored, Immortals are armored. The Replay GUI is far more advanced, and we still have yet to see GUI's made by Galaxy Editor, and the Campaign. The visuals are CLEARLY in full 3d.. if you have any problem seeing this, try going on Ultra settings and changing the camera angles.

@People saying its perfect
Get it through your heads fanboys, it is far from perfect; learn to give and accept criticism. The whole goddamn point of a beta is criticism. You are fuckin useless if you are just going to cry its perfect and bash anyone trying to put an honest opinion up. There are plenty of units missing something, units that aren't currently in (lurkers were only TEMPORARILY removed) and if you've actually done a damn thing ASIDE from play versus AI, you'd have a world of different opinions. (Yes, I do share a key with my friend)

Hell yea, there must be balanced criticism with more thoughts and less Ctrl+A, Ctrl+A, Ctrl+A. ^^

I don't know WTF is wrong with all you people, but I love Starcraft 2! Probably get a better video card so atleast the graphics look nicer. Graphics do sometimes affect the gameplay..

Quote from: blood_hound on March 03, 2010, 07:19:41 AM
guys this is still beta, lots of units and map hasn't come out yet, thou im somewhat quite dissapointed as well, some visual effects are just like 2D, there's no new added feature in the GUI, they just added details of the upgrades (and a cheap one too  :'(

e.g.
Marine
-General all Purpose Unit

can attack ground and air units
weak against - zealots blah blah)

they should've added that :(

at the same time there were imbalance all over the units tier.. but all in all, i support them since they gave off the best they've got for us :D i hope the full release would be a lot better than just the beta :D

Its true. Watch this video: Starcraft: 7 years in 7 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ijwtGCaRg#)
Oh Dam! Sorry for double post. Wasn't Concentrating, I thought I clicked the Modify Button.

I was happy untill now.... patch 3.... the whole graphics CRAP....

Now... if they release the game like that it means i will now need to go out and spend my ass off updating my PC so it runs at ultra instead of high... I am not impressed.

lol im dissapointed cuz im not playing it!

Everything is fine, but the speed is very big. 5 sec and your army is dead.

Quote from: Crixomix on March 02, 2010, 10:12:50 PM
If you're dissapointed by this game, SHAME ON YOU!!!  >:(
This game is AMAZING.
here's why I have a problem with most of you "hatin" on the game. It was NOT supposed to be a revolutionary game. It was NOT supposed to change everything as we know it. They kept the same races, resource system, and general flow because it's AMAZING. Why do you think people STILL play Starcraft one all the time? Because it's amazing. "why fix what's not broken?" Like the new command and conquer 4 coming out? I won't play it. They changed everything. It's not even command and conquer any more... BIG changes aren't good for a game that people love, because all the diehard (read: most starcraft players) fans will be UTTERLY DISAPPOINTED.


Therefore, the fact that they gave graphics, UI, engine, units, and B.NET an overhaul makes this a dream come true. The only thing they KEPT from the original starcraft was the really important stuff. The things that made it great. Did you want them to take out siege tanks? Did you want them to add a new resource or something? You people whine and complain at what I see as perfection.


If you don't go OMG I'M SO EXITED I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO DO as soon as you play your first cracked beta game, you really don't deserve to play the game at all. The only fault I have with Blizzard is how LONG they have drug out this. They told us about said game in 2007... it's now 2010... But I understand they're just trying to make Bnet2.0 perfect, which I'm fine with. I'll wait another year if it means it's going to be perfect.


Also, for those complaining about balance. I have one question: Sir, are you an idiot? The BETA is to FIX all the ISSUES. So I don't see why you're complaining about something that will most likely be fixed... Now granted, someone needs to complain otherwise it won't get fixed. But that is the job of LEGITIMATE players who got the Beta keys and they send their feedback to Blizzard. I don't want to hear another QQ about roaches or I think I'll puke...


Blizzard has spent millions on this game to make it as good as possible for us, and they have done a perfect job.


P.S. The graphics are AMAZING. I don't know WTF you're expecting from it, but I couldn't ask for more. Even on low graphics it's utterly beautiful. The gameplay is perfect, they made it so great  :)

Amazingly well put, people minimizing the significance of changes are being ignorant. Ascetically this is starcraft 2; functionally this is starcraft 2! Kind of like chess and dragon chess? :-\ I am almost confused by what people seem to think a squeal needs to be.. like a typical movie? Amp it up to the max as it were!?

Quote from: MiCrOMaN1 on March 06, 2010, 04:24:59 PM

Its true. Watch this video: Starcraft: 7 years in 7 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4ijwtGCaRg#)
Oh Dam! Sorry for double post. Wasn't Concentrating, I thought I clicked the Modify Button.

I am dissapointed that Blizzard still wont add LAN. Really ruins the game for me. I cannot imagine going to a LAN party and everyone playing SC2 over Battle Net 2. If that ever happens, and it seems to actually work well, without network problems, etc. then everything else looks rather promising so far.
Time will tell though.Without the LAN part I wont be buying the game anytime soon, but playing around with the AI the gameplay still is nice. So nice I might actually have to ignore my principles and buy it anyway. But I really do not care about online play so I doubt I will. So far it actually got all I am looking for in SC2 except the Single Player part  :D

im only pissed off about no lan and some of the units.

What's Wrong With Starcraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k3ZM6bQx4&feature=related#)

go check at 2.50 and tell me that blizzard actully putted some effort in it?

the only thing im disapointed about is that I DIDNT GET A BETA KEY.

RAGEEEEEEE

Quote from: Ceron on March 07, 2010, 09:41:18 AM
What's Wrong With Starcraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k3ZM6bQx4&feature=related#)

go check at 2.50 and tell me that blizzard actully putted some effort in it?

That was the stupidest video I have ever seen... Seriously? This guy tried to find the absolute WORST quality videos of SC2 to try and make his point. All the things related to graphics, how much units stand out, etc., are all based upon that ass-quality video? That right there proves how much of an idiot he is, and how much he is stretching to try and make his point, which fails miserably.

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 07, 2010, 11:06:18 AM

Quote from: Ceron on March 07, 2010, 09:41:18 AM
What's Wrong With Starcraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k3ZM6bQx4&feature=related#)

go check at 2.50 and tell me that blizzard actully putted some effort in it?

That was the stupidest video I have ever seen... Seriously? This guy tried to find the absolute WORST quality videos of SC2 to try and make his point. All the things related to graphics, how much units stand out, etc., are all based upon that ass-quality video? That right there proves how much of an idiot he is, and how much he is stretching to try and make his point, which fails miserably.

you kinda fail to read what i wrote, check 2.50, never told you to watch the whole stupid thing

lol. you guys still going at it.  No point argueing dude. Some poeple just really want to fantasize about this game saving their souls or something and get all mixed up in the head if anyone says something realistic.

Quote from: Ceron on March 07, 2010, 12:08:18 PM

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 07, 2010, 11:06:18 AM

Quote from: Ceron on March 07, 2010, 09:41:18 AM
What's Wrong With Starcraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k3ZM6bQx4&feature=related#)

go check at 2.50 and tell me that blizzard actully putted some effort in it?

That was the stupidest video I have ever seen... Seriously? This guy tried to find the absolute WORST quality videos of SC2 to try and make his point. All the things related to graphics, how much units stand out, etc., are all based upon that ass-quality video? That right there proves how much of an idiot he is, and how much he is stretching to try and make his point, which fails miserably.

you kinda fail to read what i wrote, check 2.50, never told you to watch the whole stupid thing

Sorry, wasn't sure what you meant by 2.50, as it's correctly written, 2:50, so I didn't know you were referring to a time.


I don't really see how that line makes sense though. Terrans can fly, so why have ground units? Same with zerg... Just because Protoss can fly doesn't make the colossus obsolete or something.






Greymanic, go away. No one likes you.

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 07, 2010, 01:03:46 PM

Quote from: Ceron on March 07, 2010, 12:08:18 PM

Quote from: Gamewiz on March 07, 2010, 11:06:18 AM

Quote from: Ceron on March 07, 2010, 09:41:18 AM
What's Wrong With Starcraft 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7k3ZM6bQx4&feature=related#)

go check at 2.50 and tell me that blizzard actully putted some effort in it?

That was the stupidest video I have ever seen... Seriously? This guy tried to find the absolute WORST quality videos of SC2 to try and make his point. All the things related to graphics, how much units stand out, etc., are all based upon that ass-quality video? That right there proves how much of an idiot he is, and how much he is stretching to try and make his point, which fails miserably.

you kinda fail to read what i wrote, check 2.50, never told you to watch the whole stupid thing

Sorry, wasn't sure what you meant by 2.50, as it's correctly written, 2:50, so I didn't know you were referring to a time.


I don't really see how that line makes sense though. Terrans can fly, so why have ground units? Same with zerg... Just because Protoss can fly doesn't make the colossus obsolete or something.






Greymanic, go away. No one likes you.

/cry

PS still don't know how to read people's posts I see.

Some things i didnt see mentioned:
I have the lingering suspicion that if they stayed with a 2D engine they could have made the game similarly beautiful. More people would be able to buy and play it too :D

I really do not see enough advantages to the 3D engine (maybe something at the background canyons), and I think that as of now, the hardware requirement is ridiculously high considering what we get in return.
yadayada...

Single player is likely gona be awesome, if You do not mind such things as Raynor's battlecruisers warping away from low-orbit (and not from clear space) etc

Quote from: Tefuss on March 07, 2010, 03:20:49 PM
Some things i didnt see mentioned:
I have the lingering suspicion that if they stayed with a 2D engine they could have made the game similarly beautiful. More people would be able to buy and play it too :D

I really do not see enough advantages to the 3D engine (maybe something at the background canyons), and I think that as of now, the hardware requirement is ridiculously high considering what we get in return.
yadayada...

Single player is likely gona be awesome, if You do not mind such things as Raynor's battlecruisers warping away from low-orbit (and not from clear space) etc

If you can custom build a computer its realistically cheap:P
also i love the 3d! the terrain is actually interactive (underground etc) and will have ability for first person mode. Watch the video on the editor in the galaxy editor section. lava even rises and lowers to destroy your expos etc if your not careful :)

one thing that does piss me off is the speed. i like the normal speed, allows good microing and you see the physics at its best. Sc1 was good at fastest because it felt right, i cant say the same for sc2.

jesus you guys really defend your biased positions don't you?

Everyones argument is valid to an extent, minus the people who say SC2 is the end-all-be-all of videogames; same can be said for those saying its complete garbage.

Id say its taken a perfect angle on 3D graphics, not making them as ugly as WC3 but not making it impossible to run on my laptop. I can play on a mix of low-med stats, runs smoothly. Most of the posts are irrelevant due to this being a beta; even that video of Why Sc2 is Bad is a failure, half the comments were zoomed in on shitty quality videos, and the majority of it was based on units/abilities that have been greatly modified since.

At the end of the day, nobody's opinion is more valid than the next, just enjoy it or don't.

Quote from: Rain[sun] on March 07, 2010, 04:09:55 PM
jesus you guys really defend your biased positions don't you?

Everyones argument is valid to an extent, minus the people who say SC2 is the end-all-be-all of videogames; same can be said for those saying its complete garbage.

Id say its taken a perfect angle on 3D graphics, not making them as ugly as WC3 but not making it impossible to run on my laptop. I can play on a mix of low-med stats, runs smoothly. Most of the posts are irrelevant due to this being a beta; even that video of Why Sc2 is Bad is a failure, half the comments were zoomed in on shitty quality videos, and the majority of it was based on units/abilities that have been greatly modified since.

At the end of the day, nobody's opinion is more valid than the next, just enjoy it or don't.

I just think that sc2 is heading in the right direction. The single player is looking like itll be more of a  fun  video game. Most of the time during the original campaigns i more bored then  pretending a  stick is a sword. I hated the limited unit missions(the style most  'modern' RTS games are going for.), usually I had to cheat either because I was bored or I didn't want to waste my time. I love the seemingly near perfect balance of modern Brood war. Maybe we need a better way to distinguish the style of games. I've made the comparison before to a strategy board game. in starcraft 2 it seems to actually be stepping more towards focusing on the game play. As in army management then actually telling each unit what to do.(i.e. the addition of auto mine) long story short more video game board game...better game? we shall see. Its quite clear its a different game and seems like its going to be great package.

The game looks and plays fantastic, and I am really having fun with the new units and buildings. It's a good mix of old and new.


I love how the SC dev team took an unintentional player tactic of using supply depots to block off your base and created supply depots that raise and lower specifically for that function!


And like the poster said above, a lot of the criticisms are being tossed against a BETA, specifically implemented with the purpose of fixing and balancing these kinds of issues.


IMO, there are already alot of fantastic additions, like the medivac unit combining drop ships and medics, the protoss unit that carries units and provides power to buildings, overlords ability to generate creep, the awesome new nydus canal graphics, vikings dual ability, and yet the classics like BC's, carriers, zealots, hydras, photon cannons, tanks, are still there to make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside.


Also, abolishing the 12-unit selection limit is a godsend.  The game looks fantastic even on mid-settings, really like the move to 3D. Can't wait to reward Blizzards efforts and purchase the game when it comes out and have fun on the new BNET 2.0! :)

I was hyped about the game ever since rumors were floating around about there being a SC2. Once I saw the dev videos and actual game play, I was even more anxious to play it. After hearing beta was out, I was even more anxious. Now that I've played the beta (unofficially of course), I can say it's even surpassed my expectations which I don't even know how it's possible.


In my opinion, anyone who was pretty good at SC1 is happy with how SC2 is turning out. Simply put, the game is a nice revamp of the first one, mostly making it pretty. The gameplay was already there, only a few tweaks were necessary for balancing out an already pretty balanced game.


After you play it a few times and get used to the races, you realize that the SC1 metagame is built right into SC2. I'm primarily a Terran player, so when I saw supply depots could lower like gates, I was ecstatic to say the least. Medic+Dropship combo? Yes, please. I was a bit disappointed at the air change-up with Wraiths being split into Vikings/Banshees but I guess it was necessary to promote balance overall.


I think most people who never played the first one will see this game in a totally different light than SC1 players. Not because of the nostalgia value, but also for the understanding of why SC2 is the way it is compared to the first one.


What I am tired of is these stupid videos desperately trying to knock SC2, especially in the name of "well we have to do it to make Blizzard understand and keep SC the game it used to be!" Give me a break. If you seriously think SC2 is losing it's microgame because "workers now auto-mine better", go watch the early Alpha/Beta Battle Report videos with David Kim and such. Tell me that SC2 has lost its micro then, psh. Yes, some of the units have changed, big deal. Is it really that improbable that the Protoss have a huge walker? No, not at all. I thought the War of the Worlds reference was fitting here. While I prefer Goliaths myself, Thor is a beast and the Arnold pilot cracks me up.


Reminds me of the kids that complained when Smash Brothers Brawl fixed some issues (namely wave dashing and etc) that were in Melee and some cried "you're making the game less competitive and easier". Yeah... right.


Anyhow, needless to say, I'm very content with SC2. I feel it lives up to the SC1 standard and I can't wait to play on B-net 2.0. You can say whatever you want to about Blizzard, try to call them out for 'milking' a game, recycling content, whatever you want... the fact is at the end of the day they make good damn games. You can't deny that.

Quote from: SiLo on March 15, 2010, 05:44:45 AM
I was hyped about the game ever since rumors were floating around about there being a SC2. Once I saw the dev videos and actual game play, I was even more anxious to play it. After hearing beta was out, I was even more anxious. Now that I've played the beta (unofficially of course), I can say it's even surpassed my expectations which I don't even know how it's possible.


In my opinion, anyone who was pretty good at SC1 is happy with how SC2 is turning out. Simply put, the game is a nice revamp of the first one, mostly making it pretty. The gameplay was already there, only a few tweaks were necessary for balancing out an already pretty balanced game.


After you play it a few times and get used to the races, you realize that the SC1 metagame is built right into SC2. I'm primarily a Terran player, so when I saw supply depots could lower like gates, I was ecstatic to say the least. Medic+Dropship combo? Yes, please. I was a bit disappointed at the air change-up with Wraiths being split into Vikings/Banshees but I guess it was necessary to promote balance overall.


I think most people who never played the first one will see this game in a totally different light than SC1 players. Not because of the nostalgia value, but also for the understanding of why SC2 is the way it is compared to the first one.


What I am tired of is these stupid videos desperately trying to knock SC2, especially in the name of "well we have to do it to make Blizzard understand and keep SC the game it used to be!" Give me a break. If you seriously think SC2 is losing it's microgame because "workers now auto-mine better", go watch the early Alpha/Beta Battle Report videos with David Kim and such. Tell me that SC2 has lost its micro then, psh. Yes, some of the units have changed, big deal. Is it really that improbable that the Protoss have a huge walker? No, not at all. I thought the War of the Worlds reference was fitting here. While I prefer Goliaths myself, Thor is a beast and the Arnold pilot cracks me up.


Reminds me of the kids that complained when Smash Brothers Brawl fixed some issues (namely wave dashing and etc) that were in Melee and some cried "you're making the game less competitive and easier". Yeah... right.


Anyhow, needless to say, I'm very content with SC2. I feel it lives up to the SC1 standard and I can't wait to play on B-net 2.0. You can say whatever you want to about Blizzard, try to call them out for 'milking' a game, recycling content, whatever you want... the fact is at the end of the day they make good damn games. You can't deny that.

Melee just plays faster in brawl they nerfed all the good characters and brought in more random ones. I don't have a wii or brawl so I haven't spent that much time with it. Feels more like the original which I don't like any ways haha.

personally, I like the way starcraft has been designed. For me, Warcraft has been to hard to manage, especially with the heroes, as the game depends on the heroes. But Starcraft 2, ive played the offline and i LOVE it. only dissapointment is that its taking so long to come out :(
Hope it comes out soon or i get a key :)

The only thing I hated about SC2 was the low effects patch that was applied. The game is in beta tough so...for now is a pretty good game but we need to see what's the final "milkshake".

PS : I messed up my words...

I didn't thought it would be so awesome. :) (lolwut)


Also, I think starcraft 2 is a pretty cool guy. He sequels to SC1 and doesn't afraid of anything.

The game is incredible. I'm really glad to see that they didn't screw it up like they did with Warcraft 3.

The interface is done well, improving on the user friendliness of the game while still remaining distinctly Starcraft. I haven't gotten a chance to play it against other players yet, so I really can't comment much on the balance. It is still in early beta anyway. 

The game looks good, the units have interesting abilities, and it feels like every race has interesting tactical options. This is a worthy sequel to the original and I can't wait to try a real multiplayer game.

If I have one complaint, it's mostly that the unit voices seem to be lacking. They just don't have the attitude that the SC1 units seemed to have. There are a few cool unit voices, like the Thor, but for the most part, the voices were very bland.

Discretion, I have not played SC2 yet.

Anyone who complains because it's

Quote from: ad1999 on March 01, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
a same old starcraft ... but with new units added, old ones taken out, cool graphics and sounds/music.

or even

Quote from: Dariusz on March 01, 2010, 08:58:11 PM
All they did here is new CGI + replace/few new units. Similar update to brood war and they ask us to w8 for soo damn long!
They should atleast do some Tactical units configuration so u can assume defense/ofense etc etc positions. Much more advance ''shift'' options. More units and some main critical units like protos Bata etc etc... I'm gona get bored of this game after 3 days of online game :/

are idiots. What, you expect the game completely as so it's a FPS? What the fuck you kids smoking? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The game's name is STARCRAFT. It will have to relate back to SC1 because it's the same franchise, you tools. As if there aren't enough people complaining that they took out too many old units...


The only legit criticism (that I've read) is the lack of skill needed to play this game. A perfect example is the interview with an old timer, Liquid`Nazgul (http://androidbit.com/wordpress/2010/03/04/interview-nazgul-victor-goossens). My guess is that pro-gaming will die off in SC2, but none of you probably care anyway.

Quote from: Parabola on March 19, 2010, 05:19:52 PM
Discretion, I have not played SC2 yet.

Anyone who complains because it's

Quote from: ad1999 on March 01, 2010, 06:20:13 PMa same old starcraft ... but with new units added, old ones taken out, cool graphics and sounds/music.

or even

Quote from: Dariusz on March 01, 2010, 08:58:11 PM
All they did here is new CGI + replace/few new units. Similar update to brood war and they ask us to w8 for soo damn long!
They should atleast do some Tactical units configuration so u can assume defense/ofense etc etc positions. Much more advance ''shift'' options. More units and some main critical units like protos Bata etc etc... I'm gona get bored of this game after 3 days of online game :/

are idiots. What, you expect the game completely as so it's a FPS? What the fuck you kids smoking? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The game's name is STARCRAFT. It will have to relate back to SC1 because it's the same franchise, you tools. As if there aren't enough people complaining that they took out too many old units...


The only legit criticism (that I've read) is the lack of skill needed to play this game. A perfect example is the interview with an old timer, Liquid`Nazgul (http://androidbit.com/wordpress/2010/03/04/interview-nazgul-victor-goossens). My guess is that pro-gaming will die off in SC2, but none of you probably care anyway.