Well, again protoss is the only race which cant be healed(from any protoss unit i mean).Now they remove battery on this version. Ghost's EMP make us cry like a little girl. This is like instant nuke.High templar is total useless vs this invisible shit ghost unit.I hear that even EMP reveal invisible units.Phoenix is most useless unit at the moment
- no dmg, no life,his ability is so useless on 99% of the time.Colossus can be hit from air and ground - what is this joke.Protoss vs terran will be zealot+ stalker+sentry and thats all.And once again i find idiots who post on forums- "Fix protoss pls,they are too stromg".So annoying.
Cause you know, you're completely unbiased, right?
Why shouldn't Colossus be hit by air? If its a hundred feet high, as low as say, a Banshee would fly, whats the difference? And if you go zealot stalker sentry vs terran only, then you really don't deserve to whine
Thor is almost a same high ...Spire on zerg too. so protoss play vs terran will be make 6 Gataway - warp and send them to die.So nice gameplay. Pls tell for what are phoenixes are ?I didnt see a single replay on the whole internet for sm1 to use this unit on a mass. +5 vs light air units. Most dumb bonus dmg in whole game.Only 2 units have this armor on the air.
Phoenix's are useless, you say?
Say early-ish game I walk into a Zerg base with 6 Phoenix's - What does he have to defend (AA Wise)?
3 hydralisks?
Toss them into the air, and pwn them.
A queen?
Toss it into the air, and pwn it.
Overlords?
Just pwn it!
GG :)
Also works vs another protoss player - Just take all his Stalkers, then pwn his probes :p
Get a void ray, and the game is over.
Quote from: zeratus on March 19, 2010, 03:23:42 PM
Well, again protoss is the only race which cant be healed(from any protoss unit i mean).Now they remove battery on this version. Ghost's EMP make us cry like a little girl. This is like instant nuke.High templar is total useless vs this invisible shit ghost unit.I hear that even EMP reveal invisible units.Phoenix is most useless unit at the moment
- no dmg, no life,his ability is so useless on 99% of the time.Colossus can be hit from air and ground - what is this joke.Protoss vs terran will be zealot+ stalker+sentry and thats all.And once again i find idiots who post on forums- "Fix protoss pls,they are too stromg".So annoying.
Well, Battery had to be removed. You can make an early push so much easier in SC2 as a Protoss player the Battery would throw the game off balance easily. Just think about it: several warp-gates, pylon outside enemy base, an army
you can warp in quite fast...put a few Batteries in and you're plain invincible.
colossus is almost as air unit, because of it's ability to walk over cliffs, so why shouldn't it be able to be attacked as air unit? Immortals melt any armored unit and colossus demolish any clumped infantry group in the matter of seconds.
Its kinda funny looking over all the posts in here; as it is obvious either A. None of you even have a key to play online, and B. You are horribad at Starcraft.
Phoenix would NEVER be out in-mass before Zerg has some form of AA; unless they are complete trash, or you proxy your stargate; in which you'd just get rushed out anyways, due to lack of base defense. Its strongest application is probably in the P mirror, PVP.
Protoss is a perfectly FINE race, minus a MINUTE lacking in Anti-air; when air units are IN MASS. ANY timing push can gap this imbalance, and ruin the game for someone attempting to rush Tier 2 air tech.
At best, a few Zerg units and mechanics, as well as a fast Ghost need to be nerfed; AND THEY WILL BE (As hinted by CowGoMoo and other Blizz devs in games/replays). On the zerg-side being Roach's 2 armor/HP, Mutalisk cost, Speedlings ability to 'push' pas walled Zealots (Yes, they can push through a FULL wall), Broodlords ability to make themselves untouchable to ground units, and yes, Ultralisk splash. These are all things a ton of players are aware of, and things that will LIKELY be seeing a tweak.
OP forgot to mention a few things:
Zealots are much stronger to begin with than the other starter units, Psi Storm is still awesome, and to be honest, a few void rays can wreck any strong unit.
The game isn't out yet because they've been spending the last who knows how long balancing it.
Main issue with ghosts is that they look too similar to the marine, which makes it really hard to snipe them in a crowd. They need a halo effect or something like the templar.
Aside from that, stalkers need a buff. The other units are pretty awesome at what they do.
The pheonix rush is however, not a good strategy. you're much better rushing void rays if it's PvP or PvZ. Sometimes you can win one of those games outright by doing that.
Terran remains invincible to void ray and/or phoenix rushes :)
But I really hope they kept the "overload" ability on phoenix. that'd make it a helluva useful.
Warp Gates make it all worth it ;).
Quote from: zeratus on March 19, 2010, 03:57:59 PM
Thor is almost a same high ...Spire on zerg too. so protoss play vs terran will be make 6 Gataway - warp and send them to die.So nice gameplay. Pls tell for what are phoenixes are ?I didnt see a single replay on the whole internet for sm1 to use this unit on a mass. +5 vs light air units. Most dumb bonus dmg in whole game.Only 2 units have this armor on the air.
this makes me lol so hard all u do is QQ u obviously have no skill, most likely to be copper league player.
see this video if u want to see nice phoenix play HDH Invitational - NonY vs Moonglade - PvZ - RO 16 - Game 1 - Part 1 of 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scCnY2g1TTg#ws) part 2 HDH Invitational - NonY vs Moonglade - PvZ - RO 16 - Game 1 - Part 2 of 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ElaQdXGhk#ws)
They only had good micro, but very slow build.. i have my immortals and stalkers attacking enemy base at 6 min :)
Pheonix are ONLY good if you have more of them then the enemy have air and Only if enemy does not have marines or hydras.
Defeating toss with zerg is impossible. I'm in Gold atm, and if I run into a decent toss player I stand no chance. Zerg has no anti air, needs 200/200 for spire, weak units, no useful casters. Toss has a great caster right in Tier 1 who can help destroy a swarm of units by just blocking the way, high HP units etc. I can't see how zeratus could cry lol.
Quote from: zeratus on March 19, 2010, 03:57:59 PM
Thor is almost a same high ...Spire on zerg too. so protoss play vs terran will be make 6 Gataway - warp and send them to die.So nice gameplay. Pls tell for what are phoenixes are ?I didnt see a single replay on the whole internet for sm1 to use this unit on a mass. +5 vs light air units. Most dumb bonus dmg in whole game.Only 2 units have this armor on the air.
man shutup protoss is dominating usa server, and it's because no uses magic, totally bunch of crap noobs in platinum. Collosus can walk over walls and also cant shot air, even if thor was shot by airplanes, who cares he destroys air with his splash missles.
hmmm... i play protoss myself... atm, i do a zealot/stalker/immortal build, because i cant adapt the plan at any time in the game.
still looking for a beta key... if any1 could give me one, it would be much appreciated....
edit: just got my key
Quote from: Ceron on May 04, 2010, 04:50:08 AM
They only had good micro, but very slow build.. i have my immortals and stalkers attacking enemy base at 6 min :)
Pheonix are ONLY good if you have more of them then the enemy have air and Only if enemy does not have marines or hydras.
ya cool story bro, youre better than nony? lol the kid is pro since sc1.
Actually, I was extremely against this thread but then I just got raped by a guy who went marauders with 2 ghosts who emp'd my ass off. Ghosts are too fat imo. needs an HP nerf xD
...and still protoss is winning 54% against the other races each in the duels matches. Maybe you (the one that opend the topic) dont know how to use them ?? try another race or RTFM :P
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Quote from: Amberdilis on May 10, 2010, 10:15:11 AM
Actually, I was extremely against this thread but then I just got raped by a guy who went marauders with 2 ghosts who emp'd my ass off. Ghosts are too fat imo. needs an HP nerf xD
ghost cost a lot of gas to get to and also cost 150gas to make T_T. try zlot/sentry rush
just to add my part to the debate:
You can't compare all races, terran are differents from toss like toss are differents from zerg.
They have weakness and great forces each.
Toss have the two better scout in the game, the probe wich is very effective with her shield in early time, an the the observer wich cost a lot but always cloack...
They haves the gateways, you just have to build pylons to send units, then even zealots become mobile.
Someone said he lose against marauders and ghosts, you need to scout more, if you had noticed that there were ghost you could have searched for blink, hit and run is very effectiv with the shield, you attack the ghost and leave before taking too many damage, reload the shield and attack again , if your micro and your scout skills are good enought you can easly choose the place of the battle.
Its true in some situations its hard to react corectly, but if you need to be told the perfect counter to everything it means you are not good enought and may go back in silver or worse....
Quote from: Bedervet on May 10, 2010, 05:08:24 PM
just to add my part to the debate:
You can't compare all races, terran are differents from toss like toss are differents from zerg.
They have weakness and great forces each.
Toss have the two better scout in the game, the probe wich is very effective with her shield in early time, an the the observer wich cost a lot but always cloack...
They haves the gateways, you just have to build pylons to send units, then even zealots become mobile.
Someone said he lose against marauders and ghosts, you need to scout more, if you had noticed that there were ghost you could have searched for blink, hit and run is very effectiv with the shield, you attack the ghost and leave before taking too many damage, reload the shield and attack again , if your micro and your scout skills are good enought you can easly choose the place of the battle.
Its true in some situations its hard to react corectly, but if you need to be told the perfect counter to everything it means you are not good enought and may go back in silver or worse....
Actually, it totally caught me by surprise coz I had my observer in his base whole game but I never saw a ghost silo or whatever it's called. He must've hidden it. And I hope not man I wanna keep my gold xD seriously tho, I've only been in beta for 3 days so.. cut me some slack xD
speaking of going back to silver, i just got my key.. and am playing on the korean server... OMG... THEY ARE SO PRO... im only bronze currently since i just started playing and am not quite used to everything yet... meh, hope i get into the silver ranking :) ...
btw, i play protoss and i find beating terran quite difficult for some reason...
I play Protoss primarily (rank 4 Gold) and I can say they are not gimped at all. In fact, whenever I face off against Terran, I practically laugh because it's always such an easy match, unless it's a Platinum Terran player that could totally kick my ass. The problem is that Terran players rely so much on M&M balls that they become so easy to counter. In the beginning, just get straight to stalkers (since Terrans love that marauder push, and it helps guard against reaper rush), then just start pumping a decent mix of stalkers, zealots, and sentries. That mix will beat an M&M ball every time, as your chargelots are the perfect meat shield. If they try pumping tanks (rare), a couple immortals will destroy them.
And if you really want to slaughter them, 2 Collossi or some templar will own an M&M ball. Terran players almost always go bio, so just expect that from the start and you'll win 75% of your games against them. And if you scout properly, you'll be able to counter if they decide to throw a curve ball and go mech.
Zerg is another story for me... I have a hard time against Zerg, but that's just my issue, not the issue with Protoss.
Quote from: Gamewiz on May 11, 2010, 09:29:07 AM
I play Protoss primarily (rank 4 Gold) and I can say they are not gimped at all. In fact, whenever I face off against Terran, I practically laugh because it's always such an easy match, unless it's a Platinum Terran player that could totally kick my ass. The problem is that Terran players rely so much on M&M balls that they become so easy to counter. In the beginning, just get straight to stalkers (since Terrans love that marauder push, and it helps guard against reaper rush), then just start pumping a decent mix of stalkers, zealots, and sentries. That mix will beat an M&M ball every time, as your chargelots are the perfect meat shield. If they try pumping tanks (rare), a couple immortals will destroy them.
And if you really want to slaughter them, 2 Collossi or some templar will own an M&M ball. Terran players almost always go bio, so just expect that from the start and you'll win 75% of your games against them. And if you scout properly, you'll be able to counter if they decide to throw a curve ball and go mech.
Zerg is another story for me... I have a hard time against Zerg, but that's just my issue, not the issue with Protoss.
Lol me too.. Im just afraid of zerg for some reason.. Zerg just dominates in map control and scouting..
Leave some base undefended and tons of fast zerglings kill everything and retreat when my slow army comes..
Zerg has overlords all over the place and creep tumors for vision and my shitty expenc5ve observers die all the time that I dont even bother making them..
Are they that visible? Hover them over terran - scan and a kill.. zerg has overseers with them so they die instantly..
And they just die so fast.. If it runs into a missle turret it just dies in 3 fast shots..No chance to save it..
Im using phoenixes in all my matches now.. So much easier to do a fly by over their base to see what they are doing and to check for other expansions around the map.. Observers are too slow for that..
I dont like being in dark..
How to use observers? I watch my replays and players always see them and kill them.. Like my first obs going in their base and I can see from their POV that they are watching it and following it..
It would be better if they were really invisible or their price reverted.. 100 gas for something that dies so easily isnt worth it..
Yeah !!
ALL want now what is my Protos Life?
Yeah !
When beta coming i opt in and watch my Gmail 70x daily.. Weeks for Weeks key didn't come...
many nubs play and good old sc/wc/oldies cant..
When i arrive from school i must watch Youtube... when i want see some sc action.
When iam bored i can only go out and smoke because i play only blizz games...
I angry...bored...
Blizzard betrayal all of us..fans..
That is my Life...
At last we have revenge..
PS: no one of 20k SC beta players cant invite one dumb ass (me) to beta.. :( hell no
Your Angry..Bored..and revengefully SC fan..
QuoteYeah !!
ALL want now what is my Protos Life?
Yeah !
When beta coming i opt in and watch my Gmail 70x daily.. Weeks for Weeks key didn't come...
many nubs play and good old sc/wc/oldies cant..
When i arrive from school i must watch Youtube... when i want see some sc action.
When iam bored i can only go out and smoke because i play only blizz games...
I angry...bored...
Blizzard betrayal all of us..fans..
That is my Life...
At last we have revenge..
PS: no one of 20k SC beta players cant invite one dumb ass (me) to beta.. (http://darkblizz.org/Forum2/../../../Smileys/DarkB/sad.gif) hell no
Your Angry..Bored..and revengefully SC fan..
WTF?
New patch is up and you maybe not believe but Prostoss i nerf again :D .The key word here is again. Anyway i just wanna to give applause for roach nerf. This must be done long ago.
Well, it's a very minor nerf so I don't mind
Quote from: zeratus on May 13, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
New patch is up and you maybe not believe but Prostoss i nerf again :D .The key word here is again. Anyway i just wanna to give applause for roach nerf. This must be done long ago.
Compare to zerg nerf it is nothing
Roaches supply count to 2 now only mutalisks left to nerf
as hydralisks hp was already nerfed in previous patches :ticked:
Quote from: Rokrdude on May 14, 2010, 12:53:54 AM
Quote from: zeratus on May 13, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
New patch is up and you maybe not believe but Prostoss i nerf again :D .The key word here is again. Anyway i just wanna to give applause for roach nerf. This must be done long ago.
Compare to zerg nerf it is nothing
Roaches supply count to 2 now only mutalisks left to nerf
as hydralisks hp was already nerfed in previous patches :ticked:
as a random player i think you're just a whiney nub. its really not even that big a deal +100 mineral per 10 roaches.
Well Roach is strong almost like stalker and he is 125mineral50gas - roach is 75/25. She must be nerf from supply coz roach were to easy to mass and the begin of the game. After they nerf sentry so much(2 damage with his AS is 30% less damage) zealot are useless vs roach. The nerf is big becoz not only +100 minerals,but one larva will be not roach.
Quote from: zeratus on May 14, 2010, 11:37:46 AM
Well Roach is strong almost like stalker and he is 125mineral50gas - roach is 75/25. She must be nerf from supply coz roach were to easy to mass and the begin of the game. After they nerf sentry so much(2 damage with his AS is 30% less damage) zealot are useless vs roach. The nerf is big becoz not only +100 minerals,but one larva will be not roach.
what he said. Despite what you think about it only being 100 minerals, It still costs time to produce that extra 5 roach now! So basically, whereas you could make 5 drones and 5 roaches, you'd only be able to make half and still spend time making the overlord. Shouldn't be a problem if you take a close look at your supply but it still takes time and possible minerals. For short, it's harder to mass early game K :)
Quote from: Amberdilis on May 14, 2010, 10:11:25 PM
Quote from: zeratus on May 14, 2010, 11:37:46 AM
Well Roach is strong almost like stalker and he is 125mineral50gas - roach is 75/25. She must be nerf from supply coz roach were to easy to mass and the begin of the game. After they nerf sentry so much(2 damage with his AS is 30% less damage) zealot are useless vs roach. The nerf is big becoz not only +100 minerals,but one larva will be not roach.
what he said. Despite what you think about it only being 100 minerals, It still costs time to produce that extra 5 roach now! So basically, whereas you could make 5 drones and 5 roaches, you'd only be able to make half and still spend time making the overlord. Shouldn't be a problem if you take a close look at your supply but it still takes time and possible minerals. For short, it's harder to mass early game K :)
Exactly my point its the extra time not the minerals or the overlords for supply :thumbsup:
why is this argument still going? long story short if your a good enough player you can win as long as you have decent macro and micro i've beaten plenty of toss with zerg and i've had my ass handed to me against some toss players thats all there is to it :)