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Game On => Land of AI => STARCRAFT II: WINGS OF LIBERTY => AI Scripts => Topic started by: r3ddrag0nx on March 09, 2010, 04:21:48 AM

Title: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: r3ddrag0nx on March 09, 2010, 04:21:48 AM
I'm pretty sure this goes over most people's heads (at least the beginners), but don't forget that you guys are playing normal speed as default.

I hadn't realized, but the pace of the game is ridiculously fast when set to 'faster'.

Anyway, thought I'd bring it to your attention.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: TheSaw on March 09, 2010, 04:35:28 AM
Ummm... no, we're not playing normal speed, you are :) Nice try though!
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: varial on March 09, 2010, 04:39:58 AM
hm. yeah i played @ normal speed for a while.
Is there a way to save the "faster" speed setting?
Btw normal speed is soo sloow ;<.
But when the game is faster it isnt that much harder:).
And, beter a weak AI than no AI :D
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: kblood on March 09, 2010, 05:01:36 AM
Its a matter of getting used to it. I usually prefer not playing at the faster setting, but after knowing what build order you will use before starting the game and having tried it before, it becomes easier to do it at the highest speed.
After having played at the highest speed 5-6 times, normal feels slow. I like to play this game in LAN with a friend, and my timing usually gets messed up after being used to faster and switching to normal because that is his preferred speed. Makes me focus on how long everything takes to do and makes me sloppy because of feeling like having all the time in the world  ::)
So I stopped playing at the highest speed. Because I would not want to make that mistake when this game is ready for LAN play :D In whatever way that gets possible.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: Artanis186 on March 09, 2010, 06:34:27 AM
Just so you know, an easier way of doing it than going in the options is pressing + twice.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: Chain[s]aw on March 09, 2010, 06:41:11 AM
slower speeds are really good for starcraft learners to learn micro/macro/builds and all that. the more you get comfortable at a speed at mastering these aspects you can then increase the speed.... its a good, fast way of learning how to micro/macro and learn builds.... its how i learned when i was playing starcraft 1 ages ago...

i know a bit off topic but ah well im just putting my .00001 cents in worth
peace :)
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: blabla7 on March 09, 2010, 07:29:51 AM
with the new loader you can play 1vs2 or 1vs3 against cheating ai if you still find 1 opponent too easy. And yea Bnet speed is fastest possible.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: programm on March 09, 2010, 08:08:37 AM
I was just discussing that in Bnet forum and I realize now WHY ppl complain about the counters taking too much DMG. I was a long time war3 player and in Sc2 as Normal Speed I could easily micro, until I set the speed to MAX. Then what happened? Play vs Cheating on MAX, try to micro much. I know SC is a game of massing and Attack-Move commands almost no micro, but EVEN STARCRAFTERS complain that units die too fast, so I understand why the COUNTERS are a big problem theyve made extra dmg that kills unit even faster,.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: PinkPanTheR on March 09, 2010, 12:05:04 PM
Hi there,
i'm not sure but i have the impression that the "fastest" mode is too fast and doesn't seem to be the current main speed to be used,
just take a lot of the workers' speed. Does anyone knows what sped are they using in the beta ladder?

-Sorry for my poor english, i'm trying to make it decent-
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: Astazha on March 09, 2010, 12:17:26 PM
"Faster" is the speed they will use in ladder.  This is the fastest speed available in the game.


I personally play on Faster but pause the game every now and then if I get overwhelmed to collect my thoughts about what I need to be doing.  This keeps me playing at high speed but still allows me to take the time to learn how to improve my strategy.


Frequently during those pauses I recognize a lot of the things I'm not doing, unspent resources, etc..  It's an effective teacher for me.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: Gamewiz on March 09, 2010, 12:20:28 PM
I have always had it set on faster, and have yet to lose a game 1v1. The only time I lost was because I tried a 1v3, me being terran and they were zerg, and I restricted myself to building only marines. I lost the first one, adopted my strategy, and won the second game.

So in my opinion the AI still has room to improve, although it's definitely made vast improvements since the beginning, so I'm not saying I'm not grateful. I'm thoroughly enjoying the AI, but the speed setting for me wasn't a factor.

And I only have an average APM of around 70, so I'm no pro player.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: Ti.sTou- on March 09, 2010, 02:11:52 PM
I am really not sure about what you guys are saying.
I don't think that ladder game will be on "faster". Just look at all the different battle report or the different streaming of live SC2 games on TL for example. Clearly the speed is set to "normal".

And as a reminder, although in SC1 on battle net the games are all played on "fastest" speed nowadays. They are not ranked game (there is a difference between games that are recorded, and ranked game). The ladder in SC1 doesn't exist anymore since quite a few years, and at the time, the games played in the ladder where all played at "normal" speed. Which, I agree, after playing "fastest" speed seemed very slow. And I'm pretty sure the ranked game for the SC2 ladder will all be played on "normal" speed (which is, in my opinion, a lot faster than the "normal" speed in SC1)
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: blabla7 on March 09, 2010, 02:31:35 PM
Bnet Speed defintaley is the fastest you can set the speed to. You can also ask on Tl if you want :)
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: PinkPanTheR on March 09, 2010, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: blabla7 on March 09, 2010, 02:31:35 PM
Bnet Speed defintaley is the fastest you can set the speed to. You can also ask on Tl if you want :)

I agree with that, i actually think the speed is set to "fast" on the battle reports, "fastest" seem way too fast
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: godspiral on March 09, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
default replay speed is always 2nd fastest, but battle.net speed is fastest.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: Gamewiz on March 09, 2010, 05:49:52 PM
Quote from: godspiral on March 09, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
default replay speed is always 2nd fastest, but battle.net speed is fastest.


The technical names for both are faster. Just set replay and gameplay to "faster". That is the official speed.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: legendre on March 10, 2010, 10:35:40 AM
Quote from: r3ddrag0nx on March 09, 2010, 04:21:48 AM
I'm pretty sure this goes over most people's heads (at least the beginners), but don't forget that you guys are playing normal speed as default.

I hadn't realized, but the pace of the game is ridiculously fast when set to 'faster'.

Anyway, thought I'd bring it to your attention.

I always played at "faster" but its still too easy. I guess the AI have its limits. To play the beta without a key is already a great achievement, even if there isn't multiplayer.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: chococake on March 11, 2010, 08:06:18 AM
Well, I always considered myself to be an above average SC player and the AI 6.1-cheating is definitely challenging when it is set on faster.  The regular 6.1 can be a bit of a cake walk though.  So for those who think 6.1-cheating on faster is easy, congratulations.  You are a very good player.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: chirievalord on March 11, 2010, 09:25:42 AM
Quote from: programm on March 09, 2010, 08:08:37 AMI know SC is a game of massing and Attack-Move commands almost no micro, but EVEN STARCRAFTERS complain that units die too fast, so I understand why the COUNTERS are a big problem theyve made extra dmg that kills unit even faster,.

omg... Please don't play SC seriously man... SC has a 50% ratio between macro and micro. Managing your armies + econ + base control + scouting + everything lol

If you Amove you die unless you're way ahead and roll over your oponent...
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: uber1984 on March 11, 2010, 05:24:04 PM

Quite certain that, the first time I got lazy launcher to work... I did a quick spam of the + button on my numerical keyboard...  and whalaaH!  I was playing in fastest mode... I have a really hard time with the first two minutes of any game if its set to normal speed...


hehe

Quote from: r3ddrag0nx on March 09, 2010, 04:21:48 AM
I'm pretty sure this goes over most people's heads (at least the beginners), but don't forget that you guys are playing normal speed as default.

I hadn't realized, but the pace of the game is ridiculously fast when set to 'faster'.

Anyway, thought I'd bring it to your attention.
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: chirievalord on March 12, 2010, 09:46:36 AM
Quote from: Artanis186 on March 09, 2010, 06:34:27 AM
Just so you know, an easier way of doing it than going in the options is pressing + twice.

Thanks so much :p
Title: Re: For those criticizing a.i.
Post by: krutoistudent on March 12, 2010, 07:37:23 PM
Quote from: r3ddrag0nx on March 09, 2010, 04:21:48 AM
I'm pretty sure this goes over most people's heads (at least the beginners), but don't forget that you guys are playing normal speed as default.

I hadn't realized, but the pace of the game is ridiculously fast when set to 'faster'.

Anyway, thought I'd bring it to your attention.
you know when you press + the speed goes up?
and no, most play at fastes